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20k feet in less than 60 seconds is faster than terminal velocity. Of course the NYT would mess that up.
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Jogger Hobby wrote:
20k feet in less than 60 seconds is faster than terminal velocity. Of course the NYT would mess that up.
That's roughly 4 miles per minute or 240 miles per hour. That's not that fast.
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This is terrifying. Those poor people. Wish I hadn’t watched it.
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Cardiac arrest can happen in an ✈️, yeah? Remember the Delta pilot coverup?
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One of two thing was likely the cause:
1) jackscrew failure- knocking out the horizontal stabilizer.
2). suicide .
once the black box is found we should know.
Current 737-800 pilot at one of the American Big 4.
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Having a background in investigations including plane crashes, I can tell you that the only way a plane with that kind of technology nosedives into the ground, is because someone intentionally made it happen. Most likely pilot murder/suicide. Less likely, foul play. Either way, somebody physically manipulated that plane into a nosedive, and held it there until the end.
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Current 737-800 pilot wrote:
One of two thing was likely the cause:
1) jackscrew failure- knocking out the horizontal stabilizer.
However it got into a nosedive, how would it stay there unattended? It should spiral out into more of a flat spin.
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GettingFasterDude wrote:
Seems most similar to Egypt Air 990 where the pilot turned off autopilot, pushed the controls into a nose dive and then started chanting "I rely on God," in Arabic. It was deemed likely a murder/suicide and killed 217.
Germanwings 9525 was another, where the pilot locked the captain out of the cockpit then adjusted the controls to crash straight into a mountain. It was confirmed murder/suicide and he killed 150 people. The pilot had known mental health problems with suicidal thoughts.
Malaysia airlines 370 is looking a lot like murder suicide, but I'm not sure if that one's confirmed yet.
And let's not forget the suicidal, murdering 9/11 hijackers that killed 2,890 people in total, to make a political statement.
Enjoy everyday, as much as you can. It can all end in the blink of an eye, like it did for Tony Soprano.
Another reminder to get help if you need it. Hundreds of innocent people dead for absolutely no reason.
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downward wrote:
A plane dropping at high speed, nose first, is not going to have anyone staying in their seats. They would all be pulled out and crushed in the back as a mass. Most of them were gone before the plane hit the ground.
Not true. The peak acceleration computed from the data at flightradar24.com indicates a peak acceleration of 1.97 g (before it hit the ground). It is possible and likely that the actual peak was a bit higher than this, since not every data point was sampled, but still in the ballpark of 2 g. Many roller coasters have accelerations of 4-6 g, and those people are just fine. The space shuttle had a peak acceleration of 3 g during launch. The 2 g experienced by the China Eastern Airlines flight was not incapacitating.
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Full throttle nose dive and a brief episode of recovery before continuing to nose dive. Mass murder.
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Jogger Hobby wrote:
20k feet in less than 60 seconds is faster than terminal velocity. Of course the NYT would mess that up.
Jogger Hobby: The raw data, here, shows that the altitude was 29,100' at 6:20:44, and 7,850' at 6:21:46. That equals 20,000 feet in 58 seconds, like the article says. A plane is streamlined, so its terminal velocity, if pointed down, is higher than the terminal velocity of a rock or a skydiver. And it has engines, so it can exceed terminal velocity. The raw data indicates that the vector sum of the plane's horizontal and vertical velocity reached a peak of 610 knots, which is fast (0.95 Mach at its then altitude) but certainly not impossible.
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downward wrote:
United wrote:
As someone who has flown over 2 million miles... 60-90 seconds is a LONG time to know you're going to die soon.
A plane dropping at high speed, nose first, is not going to have anyone staying in their seats. They would all be pulled out and crushed in the back as a mass. Most of them were gone before the plane hit the ground.
It doesn't appear that way if you watch the video. Whoever filmed it was in their seat. You can hear many people screaming until it hits the ground.
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downward wrote:
A plane dropping at high speed, nose first, is not going to have anyone staying in their seats. They would all be pulled out and crushed in the back as a mass. Most of them were gone before the plane hit the ground.
It doesn't appear that way if you watch the video. Whoever filmed it was in their seat. You can hear many people screaming until it hits the ground.
Sorry I mean there is another video filmed inside the plane.
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No, there isn't. You just need a 5 second search on google to fact-check it:00
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rosewc wrote:
downward wrote:
A plane dropping at high speed, nose first, is not going to have anyone staying in their seats. They would all be pulled out and crushed in the back as a mass. Most of them were gone before the plane hit the ground.
Not true. The peak acceleration computed from the data at flightradar24.com indicates a peak acceleration of 1.97 g (before it hit the ground). It is possible and likely that the actual peak was a bit higher than this, since not every data point was sampled, but still in the ballpark of 2 g. Many roller coasters have accelerations of 4-6 g, and those people are just fine. The space shuttle had a peak acceleration of 3 g during launch. The 2 g experienced by the China Eastern Airlines flight was not incapacitating.
Roller coasters have seatbelts and massive body constraints. Roller coaster riders whose constraints come loss get thrown out of the ride. Your g-calculation is like assuming that cellphone tower data can determine what happens to people inside of a wreck.
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