Any thoughts on the unanswered questions surrounding the bombing?
Any thoughts on the unanswered questions surrounding the bombing?
carmine9 wrote:
hank jr wrote:
You seem to have everything figured out, and not once has it agreed with popular opinion. Does knowing more than the rest of the planet ever get tiring?
Well I have figured out that the official narratives we are fed are BS. Always.
Don't think I am the only one.
It is tiring watching people regurgitate the official propaganda while thinking it is their own thoughts.
any other consipiracies you'd care to enlighten us on?
actually, just start a new thread "Deep Thoughts With Carmine9" so you don't bother the people who want to talk baseball.
carmine9 wrote:
Always saw slugging % as the best overall single stat to capture someone's batting prowess.
Numbers 1 and 2 career? Ruth and Williams with Gehrig a close 3rd. Then some Negro League players who we unfortunately know little about.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/slugging_perc_career.shtml
Different eras, but Bonds' slugging average post-steroids surpasses even Ruth.
The Indianapolis wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Always saw slugging % as the best overall single stat to capture someone's batting prowess.
Numbers 1 and 2 career? Ruth and Williams with Gehrig a close 3rd. Then some Negro League players who we unfortunately know little about.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/slugging_perc_career.shtmlDifferent eras, but Bonds' slugging average post-steroids surpasses even Ruth.
Yes, which underlines my earlier comment that on the juice Bonds was the greatest hitter ever
Who actually believes/believed the official stories on:
JFK assassination,
RFK assassination;
MLK assassination;
Malcolm X assassination;
Gulf of Tonkin;
911;
Boston Marathon Bombing;
Trump is a Russian agent;
Sorry, but it's absurd to compare Bonds to the men on your list. I'm pretty sure there isn't an MVP or gold glove among them. Also. Bonds stole something like 500 bases. People were talking about Bonds as a first ballot HOFer and greatest player before his steroid years.
seriously, make a new thread, it would be entertaining.
The Indianapolis wrote:
Sorry, but it's absurd to compare Bonds to the men on your list. I'm pretty sure there isn't an MVP or gold glove among them. Also. Bonds stole something like 500 bases. People were talking about Bonds as a first ballot HOFer and greatest player before his steroid years.
Greatest player of his generation, that is.
masshole wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
He did not get “busted”. He tested positive for a couple of supplements that were legal at the time of the testing.
Not so. That was his claim, not the facts.
Ortiz did allegedly test positive for PED use in 2003, but it was never disclosed what exactly Ortiz actually tested positive for in that 2003 test. After it was reported that he allegedly tested positive, Ortiz apologized but defended his name, saying that the positive result was likely due to supplements and vitamins.
He was no big deal for the 1st 6 years of his career. Then he took off at the age of 27. Far more indicative of drug use than say Manny Ramirez who got busted and is far away from being in the hall. Manny was a great hitter out of the gate
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortizda01.shtmlhttps://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramirma02.shtmlIf what he took was “never disclosed”, how can you claim to know the facts?
"Supplements ", like Testosterone, 'roids, stimulants…
The Indianapolis wrote:
Sorry, but it's absurd to compare Bonds to the men on your list. I'm pretty sure there isn't an MVP or gold glove among them. Also. Bonds stole something like 500 bases. People were talking about Bonds as a first ballot HOFer and greatest player before his steroid years.
Of course it's absurd. But people talk about Bonds like he had some superhuman career before drugs. he didn't. He had a very good one. And he wrecked it himself.
The Indianapolis wrote:
The Indianapolis wrote:
Sorry, but it's absurd to compare Bonds to the men on your list. I'm pretty sure there isn't an MVP or gold glove among them. Also. Bonds stole something like 500 bases. People were talking about Bonds as a first ballot HOFer and greatest player before his steroid years.
Greatest player of his generation, that is.
Again, that was Griffey, and Bonds knew it, which is why he started cheating. By 94, Griffey had surpassed him, and Bonds was already starting to drop, and he started doping to catch up.
thebabe wrote:
Baseball’s HOF is a joke. The sportswriters are in charge of who gets in.
Yep, and if you annoy enough writers then they and their pals are going to keep you out.
The Athletics Congressman wrote:
thebabe wrote:
Baseball’s HOF is a joke. The sportswriters are in charge of who gets in.
Yep, and if you annoy enough writers then they and their pals are going to keep you out.
Manny Ramirez had a better career than Big Papi -- and played in the field as well -- and is nowhere getting in whereas Big Papi sailed.
Media always disliked Manny as he did not say what they wanted him to
Maybe Griffey was. My point is that Bonds' pre steroids career alone was enough to get him in the HOF.
The Indianapolis wrote:
Maybe Griffey was. My point is that Bonds' pre steroids career alone was enough to get him in the HOF.
My point is there is no such thing as a "pre-steroids career." It's his career. and it was dropping to the levels of average players, and if it had continued to drop the way it was nobody would have talked about him as the best player of his generation, or anywhere close.
I'll admit I'm biased because I'm a born and raised Reds fan... but Rose really isn't a tough one any more. The Dowd Report didn't find any evidence that Pete Rose bet against his own team. Personally I think he was too much of an arrogant "win or nothing" SOB to do that anyways... but the investigation seems to verify that.
And now, ironically, the MLB is an official partner with DraftKings and is therefore making money from betting on baseball.
Let Rose In wrote:
I'll admit I'm biased because I'm a born and raised Reds fan... but Rose really isn't a tough one any more. The Dowd Report didn't find any evidence that Pete Rose bet against his own team. Personally I think he was too much of an arrogant "win or nothing" SOB to do that anyways... but the investigation seems to verify that.
And now, ironically, the MLB is an official partner with DraftKings and is therefore making money from betting on baseball.
He bet on games is team was playing in. That's inexcusable, regardless of who he bet on. People involved in the game can't have an external influence on the outcome.
Bonds and Clemens were tied up and implicated jn one of the ugliest and most extendive cheating/PED scandals in all of sports. They are a disgrace and moade a mockery of the game in order to extend their careers. No way they belong.
I wouldn’t advocate for Lance either if there were a cycling HOF.
And to the people saying they saved baseball, I find this ridiculous too. Yes, interest in the sport exploded for a few years. But then we realized we’d been had. And since then, ratings have progressively gotten worse and continue to trend down to all-time lows.
World Series viewership is a reasonable proxy for interest in the sport. It’s been trending down for 40 years. They didn’t save anything. Baseball is becoming irrelevant.
fell in love with a clown at a clown show wrote:
Let Rose In wrote:
I'll admit I'm biased because I'm a born and raised Reds fan... but Rose really isn't a tough one any more. The Dowd Report didn't find any evidence that Pete Rose bet against his own team. Personally I think he was too much of an arrogant "win or nothing" SOB to do that anyways... but the investigation seems to verify that.
And now, ironically, the MLB is an official partner with DraftKings and is therefore making money from betting on baseball.
He bet on games is team was playing in. That's inexcusable, regardless of who he bet on. People involved in the game can't have an external influence on the outcome.
I get that if he was betting on them to lose. I'm not sure how much more influence he has if he bets to on his team to win v. if he doesn't bet at all and is just a coach trying to win. Does betting on your team to win suddenly make you a better coach and better able win? Regardless, the HOF could still let him in for his performance as a player even with the lifetime ban in the MLB.
I'd rather see Joe Jackson get in posthumously first.