Nice comment.
People who don't know, just don't know. Most of these talkers here will never even start at a 100 miler.
Nice comment.
People who don't know, just don't know. Most of these talkers here will never even start at a 100 miler.
Ignoring terrain, most people ignore distance achievements. People spend all day riding bike 100 miles and are treated same as someone who did it in under five hours.
Run fast and people will say, easy since you didn’t go very far.
Haters gonna hate. Go do the thing you enjoy.
Mountain Hobbyjogger wrote:
For context, I'm a 2:57 marathoner as of this past spring, have done ironman triathlons, thought I was in decent shape.
Kind of like, "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV." And then the dude goes on to talk about cough medicine for his kids.
Keep it on the creet in racing flats.
I have been very impressed watching the Spartan races. On their tougher courses, like the one at lake Tahoe, they do 13 miles, 4000 ft elevation, with 30 obstacles including heavy carries. They also have ultras that are 50k with 60 obstacles and 9000 ft elevation gain. Check it out.
Check this:
The Concreet Runner wrote:
Mountain Hobbyjogger wrote:
For context, I'm a 2:57 marathoner as of this past spring, have done ironman triathlons, thought I was in decent shape.
Kind of like, "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV." And then the dude goes on to talk about cough medicine for his kids.
Keep it on the creet in racing flats.
Wow, you’re so funny. Keep contributing meaningful content.
"Mountain trail races" "Mountain"
Anyone who thinks that a "Mountain trail race" would be a piece of cake, has never ran on any decently tough trail.
Welcome to Squamish wrote:
Newbury Park? wrote:
You have not run a mountain race until you have run the Jelm Mountain race in Wyoming. It's different than most other mountain races because it's not the typical slow ultra pace spread out over 50 or 100 miles. It's all out 10ish mile effort but an insane ascent and descent. It will destroy you.
http://highplainsharriers.org/jelm/Even the 2021 winner for Leadville Trail 100 got humbled in the 2020 version of the Jelm race.
This actually isn't very impressive compared to the Squamish 50k.
Jelm Mountain: 2000 feet of gain and 2000 feet of descent in 10 miles.
Squamish 50k: 8500 feet of gain and 9000 feet of descent in 50k (27 miles).
Squamish 23k: 3300 feet of gain and 3900 feet of descent in 23k (14 miles).
Americans are so cute.
http://squamish50.com/
Quest for the Crest 50K in North Carolina has 12,000 feet of ascent and 12,000 feet of descent, and it's all gnarly Beast Coast trails. So... you know... that's tougher than Squamish, I guess.
I don't know if they are jokes are not but they definitely aren't "races".
Wow, glad to see this post continues to generate conversation!
I'll be in the corner eating popcorn and continuing to nurse my horrible downhill-induced DOMS.
Cheers,
OP
To be fair, you aren't exactly in amazing shape. 2:57 marathon best is pretty much hobby jogger.
rmess wrote:
I don't know if they are jokes are not but they definitely aren't "races".
The runners start at together and compete to be the first to finish a course. What else would you call it if not a race?
Dude come on, the comparison is implicit. The OP is talking about how he has a newfound respect for MUT after completing a race. Most guys on here are track/xc/road guys. Also, after the OP there were plenty of messages to which my response was completely relevant.
Hmm, that would be an interesting challenge... I've run 2:27 for the marathon, and this year I ran 1:11 high as a tempo building to a fall marathon. I like to think that I would have a solid shot at averaging 14-minute miles for 5 hours
Talk about an event that is even more niche and even less competitive than ultra running events.
Not that is not impressive or difficult.
Cornbread Smuggler wrote:
rmess wrote:
I don't know if they are jokes are not but they definitely aren't "races".
The runners
You lost my agreement two words in.
rmess wrote:
I don't know if they are jokes are not but they definitely aren't "races".
OK.
Neither is Boston then,
Bunch of hobby joggers pretending that their marathon performances are somehow elevated because they're in a "race" that includes all of about 20 elites among 29,980 hobbyist clamoring over hitting 3:10
LOL!
Hardrock 100 is stacked with talent, more %-wise than Boston, especially once you compare to the 1000s and 1000s of Hobbyist in Boston. ....Or any 10k for that matter.
The mountain -ultra-trail-MTB-Gravel-racing scene is WAY more talent-laden than any local 5k, 10k, trot, and marathon running racing scene. ....These running "races" are the epitome of hobby jogging and "participation" events
As a track/xc/road sub-elite, I took a couple years off to mix it up with the Colorado trail racing seen. Super competitive.
The toughest mountain race I ever did was Imogene Pass. 17 miles from Ouray to Telluride.
At the mandatory prerace meeting the night before, the race director said, "I don't care who you are or how good you are, the mountain can kill you."
Pretty sobering thought to think about all night before the start!
They never say that before any road race that's for sure.
I never did anything longer than a trail marathon (which I won), but, yeah, Mountain trail races are definitely no joke.
Again, you are playing games with definitions of words. You're the one trying to change the standard meanings. Thus, you carry the burden of persuasion.
You've also missed the point entirely. Let's assume for a moment that nobody participating in a mountain ultramarathon is a "runner." Let's even assume that they never once have run. How does that prevent it from being a "race?" There are driving races, sailing races, walking races, ski races, and so forth.
Anyhow, sorry I bothered you. I recognize that you're just a troll.
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