wejo wrote:
Who is Wilson's coach? He is a big possibility.
After 60 more seconds of research later in my day, it looks like his coach is Rana Reider.
wejo wrote:
Who is Wilson's coach? He is a big possibility.
After 60 more seconds of research later in my day, it looks like his coach is Rana Reider.
"Ever wondered who and where Divine Oduduru and Blessing Okagbare train?
Well, they with some of the very best in the WORLD as seen in the picture includes; 2016 Olympic 110mh Champion, Omar McLeod, 2016 World Indoor 60m Champion, Trayvon Bromell, 2017 World Championship Relay Champion, Adam Gemili, 4-time World Champs medalist, Andre De Grasse, 2016 Olympic Bronze medalist Daryll Neita amongst other top world class athletes.
The team which is called Tumbleweed Track Club, trains under Puma coach Rana Reider in Florida.
They were all in action at the America Track League yesterday, Jan 24. Okagbare reigned in the women’s 60m. Her first indoor race in over 10 years. She stopped the clock in a sizzling Personal Best of 7.17s ahead of Christiania Williams (7.18s) and Kayla White (7.20s)."
https://theathleticheat.com/meet-blessing-okagabre-divine-odudurus-training-team/
He is on live again:
Absolutely correct. I wouldn't let a non-medical professional hook up an IV.
There are so many athletes in this group I really like, this is a huge bummer (not saying we shouldn't get cheats out of course. Though I hope its the agents and coaches who bear the brunt of it)
Flo'da boy wrote:
There are so many athletes in this group I really like, this is a huge bummer (not saying we shouldn't get cheats out of course. Though I hope its the agents and coaches who bear the brunt of it)
Yeah, I am already somewhat cynical but this one would really be a bummer to hear. I genuinely hope the athletes did not know what was going into their bodies or were otherwise duped by trainers/agents.
jabouko wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:
There are so many athletes in this group I really like, this is a huge bummer (not saying we shouldn't get cheats out of course. Though I hope its the agents and coaches who bear the brunt of it)
Yeah, I am already somewhat cynical but this one would really be a bummer to hear. I genuinely hope the athletes did not know what was going into their bodies or were otherwise duped by trainers/agents.
Rae's story about Tyson Gay giving back all of his earnings after his positive gives me some hope that the athletes were duped. Maybe naïve, maybe even a bit willfully, but they seem like good people who may have been caught up in a machine
*the connection with Tyson being that I recall, after his positive that he said he put is trust in the wrong place. And returning all of the money shows a lot of integrity
FartKing69 wrote:
wejo wrote:
Who is Wilson's coach? He is a big possibility.
After 60 more seconds of research later in my day, it looks like his coach is Rana Reider.
Link?
Tyson was never duped lol hes a liar. Ive seen Tyson run to the same druggie doctor down in houston plenty times and all the coaches/nutritionists he rubbed shoulders with had all sorts of drugs in texas
Flo'da boy wrote:
jabouko wrote:
Yeah, I am already somewhat cynical but this one would really be a bummer to hear. I genuinely hope the athletes did not know what was going into their bodies or were otherwise duped by trainers/agents.
Rae's story about Tyson Gay giving back all of his earnings after his positive gives me some hope that the athletes were duped. Maybe naïve, maybe even a bit willfully, but they seem like good people who may have been caught up in a machine
jabouko wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:
There are so many athletes in this group I really like, this is a huge bummer (not saying we shouldn't get cheats out of course. Though I hope its the agents and coaches who bear the brunt of it)
Yeah, I am already somewhat cynical but this one would really be a bummer to hear. I genuinely hope the athletes did not know what was going into their bodies or were otherwise duped by trainers/agents.
Wilful ignorance is no excuse. No sympathy at all.
Flo’da, man—the athletes KNOW, except for maybe the very dimmest among them.
And boy are there some dim ones, let me tell you.
But none of these people lives in a vacuum. Those who know tell others. Only the very dimmest—the very few—don’t really make friends, or get taken into confidence. Sometimes they actually get made fun of behind their backs. Everybody knows who they are.
These are not professional environments. Think more like middle school/early high school. It’s sad, and vexing at the same time, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO MATTERS, KNOWS. And yet there it still is.
It looks like none of Bromell’s or ADG’s better performances of this year will be included on the all-time untainted list.
Yeah I’m probably being naive myself but damn this is depressing. I guess not as much as when I was younger, then I felt more heartbroken but now it’s just exhausting.
I don't recall wrote:
FartKing69 wrote:
After 60 more seconds of research later in my day, it looks like his coach is Rana Reider.
Link?
You can't post a link, because you're wrong, eh? Rana is/was not Wilson's coach.
I don't recall wrote:
I don't recall wrote:
Link?
You can't post a link, because you're wrong, eh? Rana is/was not Wilson's coach.
Whoops, I googled this for 60 seconds and that's what I thought I read. I could definitely be wrong. Looks like he's Blessing's coach though, right?
jabouko wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:
There are so many athletes in this group I really like, this is a huge bummer (not saying we shouldn't get cheats out of course. Though I hope its the agents and coaches who bear the brunt of it)
Yeah, I am already somewhat cynical but this one would really be a bummer to hear. I genuinely hope the athletes did not know what was going into their bodies or were otherwise duped by trainers/agents.
What’re you talking about? It’s their 100% responsibility to know what they’re putting into their body.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
used to run in college wrote:
After listening to Rae's rambling, he's talking about Tumblewood Track Club, whose has athletes tied to Arum Sports and Doyle Management group who also have athletes with Tumblewood. Those agents tie into some big names in athletics. Distance wise both those agents tie into Bowerman, Boss, Beast, NB Boston, Team Pete, Ann Arbor, and On teams in the US and the UK distance group. If, hypothetically, this were true, suggesting any of the training groups are using substances that others aren't is garbage. They are all being doped through their IV treatments and those who want to outwardly claim they are clean aren't being asked for consent to dope.
Ray as an insider knows so much, but he cannot coherently piece together a story. The most recent video is a perfect example why you need to prepare before you present to an audience. It's painful to listen to.
Gist of the story is the athletes are not being told what they are being given.
All true, but the last point is of only limited applicability in the determination of a rule contravention unless the athlete is a minor or has some cognitive impairment. It goes to the sanction, where reckless disregard, negligence, or wilful blindness may (but mot must) be considered mitigating factors relative to intentional acts.
Bottom line: unless they have a legally-recognized incapacity, it is the athlete’s duty to take reasonable steps to ensure that no banned substances are introduced into their body. What is reasonable depends on many things, including the specific context. Is it reasonable to suspect that whole foods sourced from the normal stream of commerce would contain banned substances? No, therefore we have tainted food excuses, especially where a sample of the food can be obtained by a neutral third party...and we don’t expect athletes to not choose such whole foods to consume.
Is it reasonable to suspect that a solution that is claimed to have performance and/or recovery-enhancing qualities, introduced via IV, would contain banned substances? It depends. If administered by a real MD in a medical setting with full records, then likely not—but the scale slips from there, all the way to some private joker shoving a needle in your arm and connecting the other end to some plastic bag.
Yes, it happens—and YES, in most cases the athletes can be said to have had a duty to inquire and also to verify, with signed documentation. This is not kid’s stuff, for f’s sake—there could be anything in there, including toxins and pathogens.
It’s time for sprinters especially to start acting like adults, but I doubt that it will happen. It’s just not the culture. Yes there are individual exceptions to this, but the clowns will continue. They’re always trying to get one over, to stay one step ahead. They’re never just straight up, or rarely ever.
Until the penalties are increased to include things like restitution, the rewards will continue to be worth the risks, for many if not most sprinters. They typically have little to lose, and much to gain.
Bottom line, as in many other things: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
+1
It’s cool, in a way, to see huge times—but it’s also cool to see guys who might be clean, like the Japanese, running right around 10-flat. You just have to adjust your calibration. Forget about all the insane times after BJ, and anywhere near 10-flat becomes fantastic.
After Blessing's bust, this isn't exactly a big surprise.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
It’s cool, in a way, to see huge times—but it’s also cool to see guys who might be clean, like the Japanese, running right around 10-flat. You just have to adjust your calibration. Forget about all the insane times after BJ, and anywhere near 10-flat becomes fantastic.
I think it’d be interesting to see why some people’s physiology is more responsive to specific ped’s, while others only progress much less in comparison.
I also hope these athletes realize the longterm extreme repercussions of certain SARMS as well.