You're overrating Centro because he's a US favorite. He took a dump in the World's prelim in 2017 and finished 8th in 2019.
You tell me what his claim to fame is since 2016 other than fancy splits off slow paces.
You're overrating Centro because he's a US favorite. He took a dump in the World's prelim in 2017 and finished 8th in 2019.
You tell me what his claim to fame is since 2016 other than fancy splits off slow paces.
Centro's struggles in form from 2017-2020 have been pretty well-documented. He has more hardware than anyone in the field including 2 World medals and Olympic Gold. He's run 13:00 for 5K which probably only Jakob beats amongst the contenders. I think your argument is that he's old and washed-up and America hasn't shown well, but the fact that our Trials champion from 2019 improved into 2021 and got dropped down to a distant fourth flies in the face of that.
The Original Rastus wrote:
Star wrote:
The US is one the best 1500m countries in the world.
We know Kenya is the best.
Which country is #2?
Maybe the US when you look at 1500m medals for men over the last 10 years.
You guys are unbelievable. How about over the last 4 years which is more contemporary, seeing as there is a whole different cast on the world scene than there was in 2016.
2017 and 2019 Worlds
3 finalists, highest finish 8th.
OK
Who is the second best 1500m country in the world?
Third?
I hope he hits it. It would be good to see him in full form right now. I wasn't convinced after the trials.
Star wrote:
The Original Rastus wrote:
You guys are unbelievable. How about over the last 4 years which is more contemporary, seeing as there is a whole different cast on the world scene than there was in 2016.
2017 and 2019 Worlds
3 finalists, highest finish 8th.
OK
Who is the second best 1500m country in the world?
Third?
Britain, Australia, Ethiopia, Norway...
Hardloper wrote:
Britain, Australia, Ethiopia, Norway...
Norway has two guys. One of whom is pretty inconsistent.
Ethiopia has two completely unproven guys with OK PBs run with wavelight and basically paced by Tefera who is 0/2 in auto qualifying out of the heats and has an inept kick. Note that the US#4 was 10th in the world in 2019. I don’t see why I’d find the Ethiopians more impressive than what Hocker/Nuguse did in their best races let alone Centro. Little history of success in the event.
Australia has McSweyn - no kick but strong start. Hoare has an indoor time slightly faster than Hockers mile, but not much in terms of international experience and certainly a weaker NCAA pedigree than either Nuguse/Hocker. Edwards has looked OK in Euro time trials but who knows really he’s quite unproven. No one relative after the top 3.
Britain has a strong top 2, but a lot of what we say is projection. They finished top 6 in Doha but have they gotten much better? A lot is made of Kerrs 3:31 but he was paced perfectly through 900 and slowed the last lap. He was a good talent in NCAA but not as good as Hocker or Nuguse. Wightman great 3:29 but then losing to Hayward recently? Woof. Hayward himself would be lucky to finish 4th at USAs likely 5th.
Star wrote:
The Original Rastus wrote:
You guys are unbelievable. How about over the last 4 years which is more contemporary, seeing as there is a whole different cast on the world scene than there was in 2016.
2017 and 2019 Worlds
3 finalists, highest finish 8th.
OK
Who is the second best 1500m country in the world?
Third?
I'd say Great Britain, then Australia.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Britain, Australia, Ethiopia, Norway...
Norway has two guys. One of whom is pretty inconsistent.
Ethiopia has two completely unproven guys with OK PBs run with wavelight and basically paced by Tefera who is 0/2 in auto qualifying out of the heats and has an inept kick. Note that the US#4 was 10th in the world in 2019. I don’t see why I’d find the Ethiopians more impressive than what Hocker/Nuguse did in their best races let alone Centro. Little history of success in the event.
Australia has McSweyn - no kick but strong start. Hoare has an indoor time slightly faster than Hockers mile, but not much in terms of international experience and certainly a weaker NCAA pedigree than either Nuguse/Hocker. Edwards has looked OK in Euro time trials but who knows really he’s quite unproven. No one relative after the top 3.
Britain has a strong top 2, but a lot of what we say is projection. They finished top 6 in Doha but have they gotten much better? A lot is made of Kerrs 3:31 but he was paced perfectly through 900 and slowed the last lap. He was a good talent in NCAA but not as good as Hocker or Nuguse. Wightman great 3:29 but then losing to Hayward recently? Woof. Hayward himself would be lucky to finish 4th at USAs likely 5th.
You keep saying all these guys are unproven/have no experience but how proven are Hocker and Nuguse? What international races have they run?
The Ethis who ran in Monaco were actually the 3rd and 4th finishers at their trials.
GBohannon wrote:
boot2327 wrote:
Crouser threw 82’ in practice. This thread is drivel.
Interesting choice using feet. No one knows what the hell that means in terms of shot put though. 25 meters puts the mark in perspective.
Anyways, yawn on the sub-3:50 mile attempt. This is what? A 3:31-3:32 type effort? Not that thrilling. I’d be much more interested in him going after a sub 3:30 1500m as that would actually mean something.
You’re just a big silly head you know that? :) look at the all time lists for most events. When you own the lists, you can measure how you want!!
I'll just sum up all this shoulda woulda could will do with one simple question. When is the last time a US 1500m runner won any race of importance against an international field other than Centro 5 years ago? I'll make it easier. When is the last time a US 1500 guy even made a podium in the last 5 years? 2017? 2019? Gotta be one in there right?
What is your butt hurt with the US 1500 guys?
Imagine our best 4 in Monaco. Pacer, rail lights, etc. Centrol, Engels, Hocker, and Nuguse would have ran pretty fast. Maybe 3:30, 3:30, 3:31, 3:32.
Now, I'm just making that point in reference what #2 country has the best 1500 squad. I realize these 4 US guy's are not all in the mix to medal. However, I still stand by the fact that Centro is FIT and is. He has run 13 flat 5K the other year, the timing of his fitness might be the best of all entries, and he has proven himself. I continue to laugh at the Centro haters. Yes, he has not run 3:29...but holy hell he has ran amazing in championship races.
You act like the gold medal was a fluke. What about the medals in the previous world championships?
Will Tim win? Will he take it out hard and run 3:28? Yes, maybe. Maybe Centro picks up a Silver or Bronze. But even gold is possible. Tim ran bad at the Kenyan trials...it can happen again. It's not easy to lead from the front at the Olympics and win.
To win the Olympics, you have to be on your A game, you have to be the best THAT day...Centrol has a way of being really good on that day.
Stupid comment.
Centro won Gold in 2016. 2020 we all dealt with COVID (no races). And it's 2021 this year (upcoming races).
So, when you pose questions to make it sound so bad, try posing it correctly. Not 5 years. Sure, cherry pick 3 years and you'd be correct.
But give me a freaking break.
2017 - Bad year. Centro was injured. But Centro beat Farah earlier in the season to begin. I'd say that was something.
2018 - Centro didn't run. Blankenship took 5th (0.4 sec's out of medaling).
2019 - Both Engels and Centrol made finals, but couldn't compete with the boy's. I agree here, but I think Centro said it best that he should have gone with Tim. It won't make that mistake again.
You act like the Centro or the US men have to be amazing each and every race/year. Tim (the best 1500 in the world) just took 4th at his Olympic Trials. That's how distance running goes. The US men have been pretty darn good. I wish they would head to places like Manoco to show this, but we will see how it plays out soon.
Well that was a super long winded "no" to my question.
Dude get serious..I said have any even made a podium. No. Not one. Stop making excuses. In 3 tries we had no one medal and you want to believe we have the second best 1500 program in the world? Again, get serious man.
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Oh, okay. You probably right. Please name the other countries that have better programs...and ensure to name their men who medaled (since you are using that as the only critera).
Get a grip. We also had 2 college kid's run 3:50 in the mile this year. We had the NCAA record broken. We had a high school kid run 3:34 and break the NCAA record. We had Rupp run 3:50 mile years back. Engels ran 3:33 in Portland in a poor tactical race on his part. Just having him in a big international race would be close to 3:30.
To act like the US men's 1500 squad's are not and have not been great is insanity.
AP5000 wrote:
Dude get serious..I said have any even made a podium. No. Not one. Stop making excuses. In 3 tries we had no one medal and you want to believe we have the second best 1500 program in the world? Again, get serious man.
who’s the 2nd best then? norway? nope fillip isn’t on his A game this year, Australia? how many medals have they won in the 1500? Great Britain? how many medals have they won in the 1500 in the past 3 years. If we’re going by strictly medals non of your countries fit the criteria buddy! USA is in the mix to be the 2nd best 1500 meter team this year, we’ll see how they perform at the OC especially because we’re sending 2 college kids! good luck to them
Isn't the 1500 in the US just regressing to the mean? There was a five year period between 2012 and 2017 when US men's milers were globally competitive but little before that for decades and now it looks like they're reverting to type. The era of peak Centro is looking like an outlier. But who knows? Maybe Cheruiyot will have a brain fart and run a slow race in Tokyo to give the kickers a chance. I don't know why he'd do that, and I've never seen him do that in any previous race, but there's a first time for everything I suppose. It would help to figure out exactly where the US guys are if they competed in the circuit instead of being satisfied beating up on domestic competition. Hocker should definitely have raced in Europe, he's in for a culture shock in Tokyo
running2begood wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
Dude get serious..I said have any even made a podium. No. Not one. Stop making excuses. In 3 tries we had no one medal and you want to believe we have the second best 1500 program in the world? Again, get serious man.
who’s the 2nd best then? norway? nope fillip isn’t on his A game this year, Australia? how many medals have they won in the 1500? Great Britain? how many medals have they won in the 1500 in the past 3 years. If we’re going by strictly medals non of your countries fit the criteria buddy! USA is in the mix to be the 2nd best 1500 meter team this year, we’ll see how they perform at the OC especially because we’re sending 2 college kids! good luck to them
Not Norway this year. Have to have more than two good runners. But next year 3 or 4. Filip was sick for a very long time, might be in shape for the Olympics. Yes, GB, Australia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Spain and then the rest, even though Norway is better than US. but not at all second.
Why is he Matthew trying to do this now when he had every opportunity in his prime 20's?