Tinman Elite announces new Head Coach……… Drew Hunter’s MOM!

Will Joey cheese ever break 4

runnerryan wrote:

Sebastian Coe was coached by his dad. That seemed to work out. Elly Henes did more than OK working with her mom at NC State.

It seems like lots of things related to this transition weren't handled well. But nothing says a woman can't coach well, or that a coach can't guide his or her child to success.

And van Niekerk was coached by his grandmother I think. It could work well, but it's just lame to replace your long-time coach with your mom who has only coached high schoolers.

Surprised no one mentioned the Ingibristens. Dad coaches 3 sub 3:50 guys.

yelab wrote:

Idk how I feel about this…. How long will she last as the head coach?

This choice is hilarious. They blame their mediocre and injuries on their coach who is known for coaching high schoolers and replace him with..... someone who is known for coaching high schoolers. This team is going nowhere quick.

I'm not into the social media stuff and there are pretty obvious potential problems with having a team member's mom (or dad) as coach from the standpoint of the other athletes.

Having said that, however, Joan Hunter actually is a qualified coach with real experience.

It's really the personal dynamic that complicates things. If things don't work out, can they get rid of her like they got rid of Tinman? Questionable. Could or would she kick her son off the team? Questionable.

It has nothing to do with other parents coaching their kids much less it being a woman. This is meant to be an elite team of professional runners and they will be coached by the check writer’s mother? She was advised by Tinman, who then coached Drew to all of his accomplishment, allowing him yo but a team and surround himself with 🤡

I love that Tinman Elite tried to be cool and edgy and now they have Drew's Mom coaching them - LOL. Ahahahahaha

What is really confusing about this decision is that Joan Hunter's workouts and training philosophy closely model that of Tom Schwartz, so from a training perspective, how do things change for Tinman Elite?

I guess perhaps the personality of the Hunter's will be different than Tom, but how far will that really go to improve their success? And the optics of this definitely isn't going to attract anyone to Tinman Elite. The breakup and then the image of Schwartz being replaced by a professional athlete's mom just doesn't come off well.

Joan has had a lot of success at Loudon Valley and developed some talented teams. I know some critics will claim their success was through recruiting, and over time, yes, people moving to the area specifically chose to be in their district/boundaries because of the success. But overall, having seen the training, it's pretty simple and straightforward. Nothing wrong with that, and if you have a talent advantage, it works well. But will those workouts get Drew and other to an elite level again, I'm not convinced.

Honestly, this could be good for Drew Hunter at least.

The Tinmen have had a bit of an immature setup out in Boulder. Obviously, it's not ideal for a guy in his 20's to be working for his mom, but if it's what he needs to get healthy and get serious, then that's good for Drew.

Good for them escaping the liberal cesspool of Loudon Co VA.

hard to imagine they'll be able to recruit any good new training partners for Drew with this dynamic, unless they pop off some great performances over the next year

gobluesasquatch wrote:

What is really confusing about this decision is that Joan Hunter's workouts and training philosophy closely model that of Tom Schwartz, so from a training perspective, how do things change for Tinman Elite?

The main thing I can think of regarding this question is that Tom is very married to his ideas, atleast this is the impression he gives off in interviews. He seems to think that his way is the best way whereas Joan may be more willing to change, try new things, learn from other coaches etc.

I agree with this take, obviously at first glance its rather laughable that Drew's mom is now coaching the group after such a public fallout with Tinman... However because her training is structured similarly, perhaps she can bridge a gap between familiarity & new training ideas/concepts? Of course this could totally fall apart, (and I think that is the likely scenario), however the cited problems of a lack of personal and individual attention to athletes that is required of a professional coach may be fixed if Joan Hunter is able to steadily manage the training of the whole group. I'm excited to see what happens next at least, the group could likely crash and burn, however if they rise to become relevant on the international scene it would be a helluva turnaround & story!

three stripes wrote:

Hunters contact is a drop in the bucket for adidas. You do realize that they’re the second biggest sports company in the world besides Nike, right?

Adidas probably profits hunters full contact in a day.

Try a few minutes.

One of the worst sporting contracts in history. He is making well less than the league minimum for any reputable professional league (NHL/NFL/NBA/MLB) to put it in perspective.

A former elite for whom I have great respect once said, "Most of the best people I've met in my life have been in the sport, and all of the worst people I've met in my life have been in the sport." I agree with that, and the breakaway TinMom group as it is currently constituted would most definitely fit my definition of the second half of that quote. Tinman, on the other hand, personifies the first part of that quote for me.

Money often reveals character and IMO it certainly has in this instance. I love runners - all runners, regardless of what uniform they wear. I root for the sport and those who ethically struggle to succeed in it, who measure themselves against their potential and strive to fulfill it. But the TinMom group has succeeded in becoming something exceeding rare for me, which is a group of runners that I will actively root against and cheer their every failure and setback. IMO, they deserve nothing less.

B Franklin wrote:

runnerryan wrote:

Sebastian Coe was coached by his dad. That seemed to work out. Elly Henes did more than OK working with her mom at NC State.

It seems like lots of things related to this transition weren't handled well. But nothing says a woman can't coach well, or that a coach can't guide his or her child to success.

And van Niekerk was coached by his grandmother I think. It could work well, but it's just lame to replace your long-time coach with your mom who has only coached high schoolers.

Nah. She was an older lady. But no relation.

Eventually every coach will age and die.

But your Mom?

Joe Kovacs was coached by his mom, now he's coached by his wife. She is a college coach

Everybody's racing for 2nd place team at Club XC for the next decade, TME's got that thing on lock.

B Franklin wrote:

And van Niekerk was coached by his grandmother I think. It could work well, but it's just lame to replace your long-time coach with your mom who has only coached high schoolers.

Tannie Ans Botha is old enough to be his grandmother, but isn't his grandmother. He's now with Lance Brauman.