Kara Goucher MISGENDERS non-binary Nikki Hiltz. Uses HER pro-noun and not THEY/THEM

khcglhc wrote:

Good thing she is not in Canada. That’s an offence under the criminal code in Canada.

The punishment is a little bit more than just being cancelled

She would be safe in Saudi Arabia though!

master mechanic wrote:

Are we supposed to refer to Nikki as "they"? I'm a little behind the times, sorry.

Wait. Nikki is a guy? Why do they refer to him as "they?" This is crazy. Why doesn't he run with the big boys? He is just going to cut his hair like a lady and pretend to be a woman?

it happens by accident. Even in Canada this wouldn't be a crime. The law is about hate crime, people advocating violence, ethnic cleansing on the basis of gender identity or expression (so this includes femicide, and there have been a few crimes around the sort of indiscriminate murders against women in Canada). Using the wrong pronoun is not advocating violence, even when intentional and mistaken. It's rude, but the police have better things to do. If you were to advocate for violence against transgender people, that would be a hate crime. I hope this is clear.

Hey Kitty Girl wrote:

agree 100 per wrote:

Nikki knowingly entered the women’s 1500m, therefore acknowledging the gender she identifies with. If Nikki entered men’s 1500m races and refused to ever run in female races, she would be taken more seriously by truly identifying as a man.

Transgender does not always mean ‘opposite gender.’

It can mean non-binary. This is what Nikki identifies as. I mean, is it surprising to anyone? They’ve always looked gender fluid to me, even before they made the declaration.

Your sentence is not English, it sounds ridiculous. I am all for people being whomever they want to be, but don't make me speak like a 5 year old in order to address you. If I decide my pronoun is "your majesty" does that mean everyone has to start addressing me that way?

If I called someone a he/her/she and they said they prefer to be called a they/them/it/whatever nonsense exists and they told me they are offended, I would not be able to withhold hysterical laughter right in their face. It really is a joke. Seriously, who takes this nonsense seriously? I honestly believe it’s a reboot of Punk’d and the cameras will pop up eventually saying, “we got everyone!” Because, really, there’s no way this pronoun stuff is real. It’s beyond nonsensical and not logical.

nikki sees themself as non binary,yet still sees fit to compete as a woman.Thats a bit odd.

I will NEVER bow down to this ridiculous PC BS.

I will always use him or her.

I do not care what you ‘identify’ as.

If you were born male and have XY chromosomes you will always be a ‘he’.

If you were born female and have XX chromosomes you will always be a ‘she’.

Always.

jeff tallon wrote:

nikki sees themself as non binary,yet still sees fit to compete as a woman.Thats a bit odd.

Non-binary means you go back and forth. But I've never seen her run in the men's race.

two legs wrote:

Javman wrote:

Nikki Hiltz is a WOMAN...FEMALE...GIRL.

Not only that, but SHE is singular. She is not two people or three, they used to call that Sybil. She is one person, SHE is not a they.

They can also be singular.

You would say: Someone has left their bag on the table. They should return to pick it up.

You wouldn't say: Someone has left his or her bag on the table. He or she should return to pick it up.

It's perfectly normal to refer to people as 'they' and use it as a pronoun.

Tatar. wrote:

two legs wrote:

Not only that, but SHE is singular. She is not two people or three, they used to call that Sybil. She is one person, SHE is not a they.

They can also be singular.

You would say: Someone has left their bag on the table. They should return to pick it up.

You wouldn't say: Someone has left his or her bag on the table. He or she should return to pick it up.

It's perfectly normal to refer to people as 'they' and use it as a pronoun.

That use is different from how it is being used in respect of gender. If it didnt mean something different it wouldn't have been adopted for that purpose.

I will assume you are joking.

Otherwise, cite the provision of the Criminal Code you are referring to.

I’m more surprised by the apology than the slip up. Kara is a new commentator during a live women’s event, everyone else in the field is a “she”. The apology is a bit over the top.

Well, maybe she’s sick to her stomach because she thinks she may be fired, not because of her actions.

Tatar. wrote:

two legs wrote:

Not only that, but SHE is singular. She is not two people or three, they used to call that Sybil. She is one person, SHE is not a they.

They can also be singular.

You would say: Someone has left their bag on the table. They should return to pick it up.

You wouldn't say: Someone has left his or her bag on the table. He or she should return to pick it up.

It's perfectly normal to refer to people as 'they' and use it as a pronoun.

Does Kara when announcing say "Here comes Nikki, they is moving up in the field" and similar rubbish?

"I'm sorry. I just ate some tacos made with offal from a straight white male boar."

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Tatar. wrote:

They can also be singular.

You would say: Someone has left their bag on the table. They should return to pick it up.

You wouldn't say: Someone has left his or her bag on the table. He or she should return to pick it up.

It's perfectly normal to refer to people as 'they' and use it as a pronoun.

Does Kara when announcing say "Here comes Nikki, they is moving up in the field" and similar rubbish?

Just "here comes Nikki, moving up the field"

Gender neutral language isn't new and isn't just benefitting for trans people.

She. Her.

There are hundreds of women competing in the meet. Even if this fantasy land thing was real, she would have to ask every entrant what their gender is in order to be correct. I guarantee that there are some who even believe that they are gender male but sexually female and would prefer "he".

Just don't talk about them, problem solved.

stufffffff wrote:

guys its fine this is a nothing burger, Nikki was fine with it. they even said on a podcast they didn't want to cancel anyone.

Sorry. She doesn’t make the decision who is canceled. That responsibility belongs to the Twitter mobs - especially those who live in basements and have lots of emojis in their names.

Hypocrite! wrote:

I'm tired of the pronoun crap, you're either a he a she or an it, pick one; I don't care which one but I am not calling a person a they. And I'm a progressive democrat. This sh!t has gone too far. Also, Nikki is a hypocrite. She is (saying they is, is f***ing dumb) constantly posting and advocating for transgenders to be able to run with women, which I agree with, but then she claims to be transgender but isn't running with the men. Why is that? Practice what you preach NIkki and set the example.

Technically Nikki says “they” wake up feeling like a woman some days and a man on other days, but what are the odds “they” always wake up as a woman on race day?