Shelby Houlihan BANNED for 4 years

What a spectacular waste of time. That much effort and you didn't even figure out what they measure? Wow. They don't measure the amount of nandrolone in her urine, they measure the amount of the metabolite 19-NA (you should know this is pretty common in drug testing where they don't test for the actual drug but the metabolites of the drug, which would make a lot of sense if you tried thinking).

So, start again. In your analysis, also include the amount of nandalone you'd have to ingest to end up with the 5ng/ml of the metabolite 19-NA in your urine, that would probably be more interesting to people.

Slow Your Roll wrote:

I hope you're right... but for all those saying Shelby looks masculine, they should pop over to Coburn's instagram.

It's hard to believe anything anymore.

okkk sure

It is interesting that the AIU conceded the nandrolone could not be injected (according to Gault's article).

Oral steroids would be a hilariously dumb idea. They are barely absorbed and cleared from the body very fast.

Something doesn't add up.

That’s a feature, not a bug

Harambe wrote:

It is interesting that the AIU conceded the nandrolone could not be injected (according to Gault's article).

Oral steroids would be a hilariously dumb idea. They are barely absorbed and cleared from the body very fast.

Something doesn't add up.

Are you people insane? In order to avoid detection would you rather take a drug every day because it clears within 24 hours or a single shot that last months? The whole goal of avoiding drug detection is to have a drug clear as fast as possible or mask it. Suddenly people think a PED that clears quickly is a bad thing? Isn't that actually ideal to avoid detection?

Harambe wrote:

It is interesting that the AIU conceded the nandrolone could not be injected (according to Gault's article).

Oral steroids would be a hilariously dumb idea. They are barely absorbed and cleared from the body very fast.

Something doesn't add up.

Stupid? Possibly, But we've seen that before. US Postal apparently took both andriol and cortisone orally.

Lmao she didnt even eat pork!!! Carne USADA

Molecular weight of 19-norandrosterone (19-NA) is 276.420, which is close enough to the 274.4 molecular weight of nandrolone it doesn't change the final concentrations significantly.

I agree it would be interesting to figure out how much pork offal you would have to eat to result in that level in the urine, but I don't know enough about the timing of ingestion or nandrolone pharmacokinetics to comment on that.

My main point is that ~0.1 pM concentrations are very low, and error rates measuring such low concentrations could be fairly high. I think other posters saying she is doping because she is 2.5 x over the limit is a bit of a stretch without extra details on the error rates of detection.

Houlihan's ability to run 58 final laps in tactical races and run with the world's best at the highest level reminds me of Regina Jacobs. I was never fully on board with her and do not accept her explanation. Track and field no longer is the sport I once knew.

Man up!!

You Americans all need to start demanding the adoption of European food standards - no 'roids on the farm - to avoid similar upsets.

eurodonkey wrote:

You Americans all need to start demanding the adoption of European food standards - no 'roids on the farm - to avoid similar upsets.

Americans still argue about evolution. Americans have trouble with fact, critical thinking, and religious whack jobs so telling them they should adopt something sensible won't do much good.

where is Magness, Willis, etc on social media .

If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, grunts like a pig then it must nandrolone

GUILTY!!

Wonder what BTC group isn't running nearly as fast as they did before the failed test???

"Notwithstanding some reports suggesting a link existing between the consumption of meat contaminated by residual hormonal treatment and potential positive tests,67,68 it is generally regarded as highly improbable since residues in meat, when measured, are very low; there is no indication that such a case happened.50,51

19‐nortestosterone, the 17β‐isomer, is present in the intact boar. A first report described the ingestion of a substantial amount of non‐castrated pig meat (375 g) resulting in the excretion of 19‐norandrosterone in amounts reaching 3–7.5 ppb in the following hours.69 Another study confirmed that in spite of interindividual differences, 19‐NA and 19‐NE were always measured in specimens provided in the hours following the improbable ingestion (non‐castrated pig meat being difficult to find) of such meat‐rich meal composed of non‐castrated pig tissues, with levels even reaching 160 ng/ml in one case. No trace of norsteroid metabolites was found in urine samples collected before or after the ingestion of castrated pig edible parts. As expected, the GC/C/IRMS analysis confirmed endogenous‐like 13C/12C value of metabolites.70"

So there you have it, unless Shelby can prove she was munching down on almost a pound of intact-pig meat (which most isn't going to be) around 10 hours before the test, she was doping. The study also mentions that being pregnant can cause high levels - does anyone know if she was pregnant at the time of the test?

eurodonkey wrote:

You Americans all need to start demanding the adoption of European food standards - no 'roids on the farm - to avoid similar upsets.

As has been pointed out many times, this is not about steroids from additives. This is about "endogenous" steroids -- steroids produced naturally by the animals. More specifically, steroids produced by "noncastrated male pigs."

In the US, very few (if any) noncastrated male pigs end up being sold for human consumption. Americans don't like the way meat tastes.

In other words, the issue here is not simply whether she got pork or pork-contaminated-beef, but whether that pork came from a pig that hadn't been castrated: No nuts, no steroids.

It's that simple.

Harambe wrote:

It is interesting that the AIU conceded the nandrolone could not be injected (according to Gault's article).

Oral steroids would be a hilariously dumb idea. They are barely absorbed and cleared from the body very fast.

Something doesn't add up.

Are they barely absorbed, or can a single burrito flood your blood with a 5ng/l of nandrolone? They can't both be true.

sub15@50 wrote:

Man up!!

yes she quickly retired, but her record should have been deleted.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm asking if there's evidence that lard would contain this hormone. Given that lard is processed in several ways and not generally made from uncastrated boars, it seems like a fair question.