Is it true that Imervectin is better and safer than vaccines to prevent and treat cvd19?

Harambe wrote:

https://grftr.news/why-was-a-major-study-on-ivermectin-for-covid-19-just-retracted/

Ivermectin going home devastated these last few days.

You will find the retracted studies were the ones indirectly funded by pharma companies (in one case a Gates Foundation funded group) and those studies were purposely badly designed in an effort to discredit Ivermectin. For example, one of those "studies" gave a low dose of Ivermectin to a group of 14 patients over the age of 75 who were past their 4th week of covid and in serious condition, and the low dose was given only 5 times then stopped - you can guess the reported outcome wasn't good. Those are the types of Ivermectin studies being discredited.

Nice try, but no banana.

Lions eat gorillas wrote:

Harambe wrote:

https://grftr.news/why-was-a-major-study-on-ivermectin-for-covid-19-just-retracted/

Ivermectin going home devastated these last few days.

You will find the retracted studies were the ones indirectly funded by pharma companies (in one case a Gates Foundation funded group) and those studies were purposely badly designed in an effort to discredit Ivermectin. For example, one of those "studies" gave a low dose of Ivermectin to a group of 14 patients over the age of 75 who were past their 4th week of covid and in serious condition, and the low dose was given only 5 times then stopped - you can guess the reported outcome wasn't good. Those are the types of Ivermectin studies being discredited.

Nice try, but no banana.

Ah yes the classic conspiracy of publishing positive results that are secretly designed to be retracted instead of just publishing... negative results?!? Makes perfect sense!

The depths the covid morons go to confirm their priors is... amazing :)

prosper in the way T wrote:

The majority of its benefits have been prophylactic. So a study about recovery of people with mild symptoms is not relevant.

Many people with serious symptoms have been cured of COVID when Ivermectin was used, even in cases where the patients were intubated and nothing else was working. Actor Lou Gossett Jr was one of them:

Harambe wrote:

https://onepagericu.com/blog/debunking-ivermectin-a-complete-guide

Ok, we can finally put IVM to bed. Where are all the dudes who said they would admit they were wrong when IVM completely failed? Crickets...

You all MUST read this before commenting on IVM again. It clearly lays out the discrepancies with IVM data. If you still have questions or data to add, please do so, but if you continue to use 4-6 month old data/talking points... it's embarrassing.

This is like when the LRC morons asserted the IVM was a protease inhibitor and then (obviously) failed to find any biochemical studies that confirmed it. Dont... just... repeat... things... the "alt media" spoonfeeds you.

How much are they paying you, "Bro"? Or are you PharmaBro writing from your jail cell?

Go read these bios of doctors and medical researchers who have actually accomplished something in medicine over the past 40 years. Definitely not "Alt Media".

https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/the-flccc-physicians/

Pfizer thank$ you wrote:

How much are they paying you, "Bro"? Or are you PharmaBro writing from your jail cell?

Go read these bios of doctors and medical researchers who have actually accomplished something in medicine over the past 40 years. Definitely not "Alt Media".

I recommend engaging with actual data rather than appeals to authority of charlatans and grifters.

It's sad there are so many morons out there that these people can make money fom...

2600 bro wrote:

Pfizer thank$ you wrote:

How much are they paying you, "Bro"? Or are you PharmaBro writing from your jail cell?

Go read these bios of doctors and medical researchers who have actually accomplished something in medicine over the past 40 years. Definitely not "Alt Media".

I recommend engaging with actual data rather than appeals to authority of charlatans and grifters.

It's sad there are so many morons out there that these people can make money fom...

LOL! Right, those highly accomplished doctors who have saved thousands of COVID patients, are "charlatans and grifters", but people should believe "2600 bro" as an authoritative source. The "appeals" to FLCCC, are references to ACTUAL RESULTS. The fact that the FLCCC staff are all highly accomplished practicing medical clinicians, who also are highly published in their field and some of whom have developed important medical protocols, points to the fact that THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Instead, people like you tell us we should look to lifetime bureaucrats for the answers, bureaucrats who have never practiced medicine. Sure, sounds really good, "Bro". Keep trying, they may give you a raise to $14/hour!

Pfizer thank$ you wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I recommend engaging with actual data rather than appeals to authority of charlatans and grifters.

It's sad there are so many morons out there that these people can make money fom...

LOL! Right, those highly accomplished doctors who have saved thousands of COVID patients, are "charlatans and grifters", but people should believe "2600 bro" as an authoritative source. The "appeals" to FLCCC, are references to ACTUAL RESULTS. The fact that the FLCCC staff are all highly accomplished practicing medical clinicians, who also are highly published in their field and some of whom have developed important medical protocols, points to the fact that THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Instead, people like you tell us we should look to lifetime bureaucrats for the answers, bureaucrats who have never practiced medicine. Sure, sounds really good, "Bro". Keep trying, they may give you a raise to $14/hour!

Here's a doctor that engages with actual data and demonstrates why IVM is a mix of forlorn hope, fraud, and scams:

Fact is, every single large RCT for IVM has failed.

Fact - millions of people around the world have been cured of COVID using protocols that included Ivermectin. Several Indian provinces have completely crushed COVID using Ivermectin. Countries which have adopted it are getting great results.

This is an athletics site. Since you may not be an athlete you need to understand something: ONLY RESULTS COUNT - BS GOES HOME.

Pfizer thank$ you wrote:

Fact - millions of people around the world have been cured of COVID using protocols that included Ivermectin. Several Indian provinces have completely crushed COVID using Ivermectin. Countries which have adopted it are getting great results.

This is an athletics site. Since you may not be an athlete you need to understand something: ONLY RESULTS COUNT - BS GOES HOME.

Yikes you didn't read the article. There is no specific correlation between IVM use in countries (it even discusses Indian states!) and their COVID waves ending. This is getting funny.

If you cannot read a 10 min article you are both stupid and a troll? Fair?

Keykey wrote:

Imervectine is also dirt cheap. Why isn't used here in the land of the free?

The FLCCC are moderately competent doctors who got a little high on their own supply when they became the COVID deniers’ favorite resource for a few weeks.

There’s no doubt they’ve done good work exploring protocols for dangerously ill COVID patients.

There’s no doubt they badly overinterpreted early IVM evidence and have since become emotionally invested in that particular pharmaceutical. When you’re on CSPAN claiming IVM is a “wonder drug” against COVID to senators, I sympathize that it may be hard to admit that you were wrong.

Still, they were wrong and their failure to own up to it has certainly doomed some in their sphere of influence.

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Yet, on Aug. 29, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases within the NIH, went on CNN and announced “there is no clinical evidence” that ivermectin works for the prevention or treatment of COVID. Fauci went on to reiterate that “there is no evidence whatsoever” that it works.

“This definitive claim directly contradicts the NIH’s recognition that ‘several randomized trials … published in peer-reviewed journals’ have reported data indicating that ivermectin is effective as a COVI D-19 treatment,” Peterson wrote.

In March 2021, the FDA posted a webpage, “Why You Should Not Use lvermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19.”

“Although the FDA’s concern was stories of some people using the animal form of ivermectin or excessive doses of the human form, the title broadly condemned any use of ivermectin in connection with COVID-19,” Peterson wrote. “Yet, there was no basis for its sweeping condemnation.”

Peterson wrote:

“Indeed, the FDA itself acknowledged on that very webpage (and continued to do so until the page changed on September 3, 2021) that the agency had not even ‘reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19.’ But without reviewing the available data, which had long since been available and accumulating, it is unclear what basis the FDA had for denouncing ivermectin as a treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19.

“On that same webpage, the FDA also declared that ‘vermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).’ It did so while another one of its webpages simultaneously cited a study in Antiviral Research that identified ivermectin as a medicine ‘previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity.’”

“It is telling that the FDA deleted the line about ivermectin not being ‘anti-viral’ when it amended the first webpage on September 3, 2021,” Peterson noted.

Peterson said the FDA’s most controversial statement on ivermectin was made on Aug. 21, when it posted a link on Twitter to its “Why You Should Not Use lvermectin” webpage with this statement: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

“This message is troubling not only because it makes light of a serious matter but also because it inaccurately implies that ivermectin is only for horses or cows,” Peterson wrote.

Peterson said the FDA has assailed ivermectin’s safety while ignoring the fact that physicians routinely prescribe medications for off-label use and that ivermectin is a “particularly well-tolerated medicine with an established safety record.”

Peterson added the FDA is ignoring several randomized controlled trials and at least one meta­analysis suggesting ivermectin is effective against COVID. He pointed out the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention has adopted a similar stance — unsupported by scientific evidence — and the media has fueled confusion and misinformation on the drug.

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Reposting this (which is why I bumped the thread anyway). A good summary of all that’s gone wrong with IVM. Please don’t send me a metaanalysis from June and pretend like you are achieving anything besides embarrassment.

https://onepagericu.com/blog/debunking-ivermectin-a-complete-guide

That “article” you just posted is a blog page from some dude who appears to be a high school student trying to get into a Pre-Med program. Full of inaccuracies. I would say he is a liar but he he more likely delusional. He does know how to use a word processor and how to lift diagrams from actual articles.

Ah, so these are the types of threads which don't get deleted. Got it.