If you are vaccinated, why do you care that I am not?

JCLv.3.0 wrote:

They're developing booster shots for hysterical ppl like yourself who are terrified of covid cootie variants. If you're not feeling fully ensconced in safety/security with your 98%+ effective vaccine. Or, maybe you should just take control of whatever health risk factors (inactive, fat, diabetes) you may have to cut your risk of death down to near zero even without vaccines or boosters.

Correct. I mean, who needs medicine?

Just good ole dirt and clean air, right? Yeehaw! I'll bleed the devil Covid outta me with a leech if I have to, dad gummit! Don't you go treading on me, ya techno commie! Now leave me be, granny got the polio and I need to take her for her walk!

Government/big pharma/media all benefitting--they don't actually care about you people, wake up.

Shaming tactics, isolation tactics, labeling as conspiracy theory, censoring truth, discrediting critical thinkers, using health as a guise to further agenda, lab created bio weapon, election influence (enabled mail in votes which are associated with easy access to fraud). This is disturbing. Wake up.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""-'-"--^' wrote:

Government/big pharma/media all benefitting--they don't actually care about you people, wake up.

Shaming tactics, isolation tactics, labeling as conspiracy theory, censoring truth, discrediting critical thinkers, using health as a guise to further agenda, lab created bio weapon, election influence (enabled mail in votes which are associated with easy access to fraud). This is disturbing. Wake up.

My conspiracy nut spotter bingo card only needs a "sheeple" for a full house.

DanM wrote:

Cleveland Clinic said you do not need a vaccine if you have already been infected.

CDC says 114 Million Americans have been infected as of mid-April.

What a scam. Makes Bernie Madoff look like a pesky flea.

First, that is not actually what the Cleveland clinic said, although if that’s what you read into it and decided that since you had a CONFIRMED infection that you weren’t going to get the vaccine, I wouldn’t be overly concerned by your decision. On the other hand, given that 2/3 of Americans still have not been infected, if you have not had a CONFIRMED infection, then you should act as if you haven’t been infected.

At this point, for both individual and community health, the rational decision would be to get vaccinated

I don't. But then again I am not an anti-science liberal idiot.

DanM wrote:

Cleveland Clinic said you do not need a vaccine if you have already been infected.

CDC says 114 Million Americans have been infected as of mid-April.

What a scam. Makes Bernie Madoff look like a pesky flea.

^This is wrong and this poster is a liar. As is Unkle.

They are both disinformation merchants and very possibly paid trolls.

Believe the science. Is the CDC a reputable source for the science ?

The so called protection can evaporate at any time. Where will that put your "herd immunity" ?

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Q: How long does protection from a COVID-19 vaccine last ?

A: We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

unkle supression, Unit 2 wrote:

DanM wrote:

Cleveland Clinic said you do not need a vaccine if you have already been infected.

CDC says 114 Million Americans have been infected as of mid-April.

What a scam. Makes Bernie Madoff look like a pesky flea.

^This is wrong and this poster is a liar. As is Unkle.

They are both disinformation merchants and very possibly paid trolls.

A couple of reasons:

As we get to a 70-80% vaccination rate, restrictions loosen and things open up even more.

When the vaccine came available in December, things didn’t open up right away. We needed a higher rate.

People like you make it more difficult for people like me to get back to normal.

I’m seeing a lot of people still voluntarily wearing masks because the vaccination rate is not to their liking. I selectively wear mine and am ready to leave it home for good.

And people are still getting sick and dying while this can be prevented.

This maintains a strain on our healthcare system.

Your collective actions makes our collective costs higher.

libertariansarestupe wrote:

I'm quite sure Covid isn't safe. I can give you 600k examples.

You're obfuscating instead of answering the question. I didn't ask anything about Covid...now did I? I asked:

👉 Can you guarantee here, right now, that the "COVID" vaccine is 100% safe? Can you guarantee that no one will suffer a serious adverse event or death from the COVID vaccine?

☝️Please quit acting like a typical politician and answer the question.

DanM wrote:

unkle supression, Unit 2 wrote:

^This is wrong and this poster is a liar. As is Unkle.

They are both disinformation merchants and very possibly paid trolls.

https://www.wfla.com/news/no-vaccine-needed-for-those-whove-had-covid-19-cleveland-clinic-study-says/

In addition, we do not know how long the immune system will protect itself against re-infection after COVID-19. It is safe to receive the COVID-19 vaccine even if you have previously tested positive, and we recommend all those who are eligible receive it.”

Can't believe what I'm hearing wrote:

libertariansarestupe wrote:

I'm quite sure Covid isn't safe. I can give you 600k examples.

You're obfuscating instead of answering the question. I didn't ask anything about Covid...now did I? I asked:

👉 Can you guarantee here, right now, that the "COVID" vaccine is 100% safe? Can you guarantee that no one will suffer a serious adverse event or death from the COVID vaccine?

☝️Please quit acting like a typical politician and answer the question.

Any medical intervention is a balance of risks and benefits. Literally nothing is without risk. If your requirement is 0% risk then you would never do anything.

Unless your argument is “I will never undertake any risk or discomfort to help myself or other”, you are asking the wrong question

My first two thoughts before we had the vaccine was that (1) once the weaker immune people get vaccinated then that's the best scenario because people like me who care and dont want others to get it because of us can stop avoiding all contact for fear of infecting others (2) I was going to get the vaccine myself thinking it would be traditional vaccine where your immune system responds to an outside pathogen be it dead viruses, bacteria, or whatever outside intrusion into your body.

Now its every freaking last one of you get this zero proven long term clinical trial vaccine and you dont have a choice. Someone like me who has a history of different autoimmune issues is supposed to sign up for a free for big pharma clinical trial with no compensation and zero liability because of the pandemic. Brush off long term effects they couldn't possibly know about given all the phenotypes of people out there, they're only goal was to generate a massive immune response in 80 year olds same size glove to fit 20 year fit boys/girls. Geez I wonder why you won't get a high a vaccination rate as you thought. Maybe if the bottom line wasn't the bottom line then you would get near 90% vaccination rate. You would also be waiving patents in emergency situations like this for your money shaker if they cared about mutations. Whole sections of weakened immune system people in other countries that can't afford vaccines will have it mutate 30 times in their body probably die and eventually gamma theta tau variant will find its way into rich countries. Yes and me who has a healthy immune system and is careful is the lynchpin. Give me f*kin break.

Attention seeking much?

You don't need the jab, because you are a little prick. Nobody gives a flying pig about you and I certainly don't think anyone cares abut me. But god almighty I'm not going to start a thread about myself.

LMAO. Is this your 15min of fame?

The Unkle wrote:

some thoughts from a woman wrote:

I don't care for my own health, but I think you are a selfish freeloader who is not playing their part contributing to herd immunity.

Huh?

What makes me a freeloader? By not getting vaxxed, doesn't that mean I will get (or maybe already had and just don't know it) Covid and thus contribute to herd immunity?

Well, off for a run. Living my life without fear, just as I have for the past 16 months. Not masking. Not calling people who disagree with me idiots, or murderers, or selfish.

On your run, please don't look both ways before crossing streets. To do so would be giving into in fear, which is no way to live. Just close your eyes and go, go, go ... to freedom! Live the creed!

Hi Unkle,

Basically, my reason for being annoyed at people not getting the vaccine (that could get it easily) is that if enough people did that, we would not hit herd immunity without just letting the virus rip through the population.

Knowing the current govt, they will never allow the "ripping" option to happen, so in that scenario, we would be stuck under authoritarian restrictions for much longer than we would be if these people just got the vaccine.

That is the main reason I would be annoyed if LOTS of people didn't get the vaccine, because I hate restrictions and I'm sure you do too. It follows that, if you alone do not get the vaccine, or even if a small group do not get the vaccine, I don't care too much as it would not impinge herd immunity. However, since vaccine hesitancy seems pretty prevalent, I do not know if enough people are in the vaccine-averse group for this to be true, and therefore I remain annoyed at vaccine refusers.

Even if only a small number of people did not get the vaccine, I would still be annoyed at them (although not as much) in the same way you might be at annoyed somebody partaking in a legal tax avoidance scheme. They aren't breaking the law, they have a right to do it, but they are avoiding making a contribution that almost everyone else makes towards something they will still benefit from (e.g: sanitation, roads...) - i.e: the classic "free rider" problem. I believe the same applies here - they are avoiding the slight annoyance of being vaccinated, but presumably still want the benefits of herd immunity that will come from many others doing what they didn't want to do.

More generally, many people who dislike the vaccines due so due to what I consider to be ignorant reasons, that often fly in the face of broadly accepted scientific consensus. This annoys me because I get impatient with ignorance, although that might be more of a me problem. I suspect this point might be the one you end up disagreeing with me most strongly on, and I don't think we will change each other's mind on this, so you don't need to respond to it unless you wish to; I just state it since you asked for my beliefs.

Does this make sense to you?

The Unkle wrote:

Seems not one person can give a reasonable argument for why the vaccinated should have a problem with those of us who choose not to get a jab.

There must be some actual reason?

No?

This

... is just *one* reason, you soulless, narcissistic moron.

I don't care if you get vaccinated. In fact, at this point, I'd prefer that you didn't. I WANT you to get sick with COVID. I wish you and the rest of the selfish anti-vaxxx crowd extremely ill.

Carl Douglas wrote:

You are a tread to society. You are endangering life of people who can't get a vaccine.

But you just don't care. You are a selfish little bastiard living in your small bubble of disinformation. Luckily you are shielded by the Brojos who think they have to "protect" people like you.

Who can’t get the vaccine? Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. If 11 and under were at risk, they’d have a vaccine for them by now. If they choose not to get the vaccine, then how’s that my issue? So I just destroyed you. Go home and cry about the slamming you just took.