Anyone besides me getting less impressed by Kessler's 3:34, two guys who can't even make it to NCAAs just ran 3:37

So, now the shoes are worth 7 seconds at 1500, wow, it gets higher post by post?

An absurd claim by the way.

Another insane analysis. And you should actually know better. This was 5 years after Webb's 3:53.xx , so now you're a 3:55 miler? In a few weeks you will subtract 10 seconds and be down to 3:35 1500.

Great bar chatter, but no basis in reality.

And sub four in HS? Is not a big deal either.

Oh, that's right , there at LEAST 12 guys ALL TIME that have done that.

Are you kidding me with this rhetoric?

Yes 100% what I am saying.

king999 wrote:

And sub four in HS? Is not a big deal either.

Oh, that's right , there at LEAST 12 guys ALL TIME that have done that.

Are you kidding me with this rhetoric?

Not impressed with it. Being that you are means you probably have zero actual creditial. Been around enough young Africans who do it all the time and a 3:59 Is not impressive to me. Your not going to change my mind I have been there done that am retired from racing and enjoy the sport as a fan now.

Kessler ran 3:34 at age 18. Jakob I. ran 3:31 at age 17. Maybe the American junior records were just weak.

His 1500 is 10 seconds ahead of every other American high schooler this year. He would beat them all by 75 meters but that isn't far ahead?

Your assertion that pro times aren't faster is DEAD. In the past 12 months we've had world records in both the men's and women's 5k and 10. Is that just a coincidence? Or just MAYBE it's the shoes.

Some crazy fast 1500 times and 3k times as well.

why the need to devalue an amazing accomplishment? I mean spikes or no spikes, good weather or not, fast field or not, he ran a 3:34. Say what you want, he ran that time and in history no one else his age came close to it. so no I don't agree.

Easy1 wrote:

king999 wrote:

And sub four in HS? Is not a big deal either.

Oh, that's right , there at LEAST 12 guys ALL TIME that have done that.

Are you kidding me with this rhetoric?

Not impressed with it. Being that you are means you probably have zero actual creditial. Been around enough young Africans who do it all the time and a 3:59 Is not impressive to me. Your not going to change my mind I have been there done that am retired from racing and enjoy the sport as a fan now.

I’m certain you’re trolling because it’s so absurd, but I’ll play along for the sake of the thread…

No one cares about you and your Sea Ray 1500m win. Sea Ray stopped meaning something in like 1998, when they started setting up time trail pacing at Stanford, Mt Sac, Oregon, etc. It’s actually pretty funny you even mentioned it. LOL

Kessler’s meteoric rise over the last 6-9 months has obviously rattled some people, so they’re grasping at ANYTHING to lessen its shock. The shoes he’s wearing have minimal impact, just like the Eldorets, Jasaris, Zoom Kennedy’s, Mambas, etc all had in their time.

The most incredible thing about him- which probably hurts you guys the most- is he just got serious about running like 2 years ago. It’s not like he’s been training as a distance runner since he was 10 years old.

3:57 Mile indoors

8:39 2 Mile cruising until a 54.9 final 400m

(turns 18)

3:34 1500 / 3:51.5 equivalent Mile

1:47.9 800m split (54.4-53.5)

“Meh”

LOL- GTFOH

aztec the moronic wrote:

Your assertion that pro times aren't faster is DEAD. In the past 12 months we've had world records in both the men's and women's 5k and 10. Is that just a coincidence? Or just MAYBE it's the shoes.

Some crazy fast 1500 times and 3k times as well.

No, it's the wavelights. Imagine if Bekele had perfect pacing for a full 10k. What crazy fast times in the 1500m and 3000m have occurred in the past 12 months? 3:28 is not abnormal.

The AVERAGE pro runner is not statistically faster this year. Name a track WR broken this year WITHOUT the help of wavelights. You can't.

In fact, the fastest 10k this year of 26:33 (which is the fastest in MANY years) was run in ADIDAS shoes.

Face it, statistically these shoes offer no advantage when looking at the pros. The faster than average performances seen in the NCAA is LOCALIZED to the NCAA, and due to OTHER factors.

The pro's aren't even close to a peak yet.

Ingebrigtsen's 3:28 was the 8th fastest 1500 EVER. Cheruiyot was only .04 off his PR which is #7 all time despite the rabbits screwing up and bringing him through 400 in 52. He was also looking back the entire last 100, just doing enough to win and not going for a fast time.

Wightman was #22 all time and Filip is #35 all time. It was absolutely a historic race.

You'd have to be mentally ill to argue the wavelight helps them but the shoes don't. The shoes help much more than the wavelight. Hassan was ahead of the wavelight for the last 1k...if the only reason she broke it is because wavelight then how is it possible for her to go faster than the wavelight?

What a braindead thread to post. How are you “less” impressed that a high school senior runs a 3:34 just because two other college kids run 3:37s. seriously this is a pathetic thread to create and quite a crap opinion to have. wow this site is trash why do I keep coming back lmao

You're throwing out numbers like 7,8,22,35. This is not as amazing as you think it is. Kiprop running 3:26 was amazing. That was in vics.

The shoes help minimally. Do you know what Hassan's splits were for her 10k? 2:55 EXACTLY for 9k and then 2:45 for the last 1km (also known as a kick). It is possible to kick, did you know that? The wavelights are indispensable for keeping an even pace, which was used in both the men's and women's 5k and 10k WRs.

If Bekele had perfect 10k pacing, he'd have run sub 26! (hyperbole, maybe).

Anyway, this is the last point I will make to you on the subject. I am planning to do a full statistical analysis on this year at THE END of the year. If the times are significantly faster on average than previous years, then I will concede that the shoes help. In fact, I will try to calculate HOW MUCH, they help. So far the data doesn't support that conclusion yet. But I have an open mind.

I work with stats (using R mainly) for a living so this should be interesting to do anyway.

michiganrunner55 wrote:

This is the deal. Don’t criticize Kesslers performance. Of course shoes make a difference. You can’t compare Hobbs to Webb to Ryun anymore than u can compare Lebron to MJ to Oscar Robertson... different eras, different equipment etc etc

MJ would crush Lebron, Rodman was the best defender in the history of the sport and there's Pippen to help out. Meanwhile MJ would be averaging 35. Hobbs is a good kid, America's new star he's a Coe or Ovett talent.

Kiplimo is a Nike guy.

aztec the moronic wrote:

Kessler ran 3:34 at age 18. Jakob I. ran 3:31 at age 17. Maybe the American junior records were just weak.

Kessler was also born premature. If he had been born at 9 months he would have been 17 when he ran the 3:34, turning 18 soon.

` wrote:

You're throwing out numbers like 7,8,22,35. This is not as amazing as you think it is. Kiprop running 3:26 was amazing. That was in vics.

The shoes help minimally. Do you know what Hassan's splits were for her 10k? 2:55 EXACTLY for 9k and then 2:45 for the last 1km (also known as a kick). It is possible to kick, did you know that? The wavelights are indispensable for keeping an even pace, which was used in both the men's and women's 5k and 10k WRs.

If Bekele had perfect 10k pacing, he'd have run sub 26! (hyperbole, maybe).

Now you are proving how DUMB you are. Those 1500m marks are insane.

Wightman's #22 all time mark is only .01 behind Said Aouita's former 1500m world record and Komen's PR (still the current world record holder in the 3000m). Faster than Cram, Coe, and Willis ever ran. He either equaled or surpassed some absolute LEGENDS in the sport. And you say that's not a big deal?

Even Filip ran faster than Centro ever has and Centro is the reigning Olympic Champion in the 1500.

Kiprop is also a convicted DOPER, as were many other guys on the 1500 list (some were caught, like Lagat, some weren't).

I agree with Rojo.

Kessler is just one of the first major players to reap the benefits of secret training: Low mileage and strength training (in his case, rock climbing).

He can do high mileage later, but high mileage is hardly a factor when it comes to the 1500/mile race.

You see the same exact thing with Cole Hocker: a 30 mile per week runner in high school.

For cross country however, you can switch it up for some guys and have them do up to 70 miles per week.

The first man to break 4, Bodget Ranister, only did 30 miles per week in training. His staple workout was 8x400 on 2 minutes rest. Let's get back to the basics.

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On another token, we have David Ritzenhein who in an interview with Footlocker said he ran in the 90 mile range leading up to his senior HS cross country season. He blew away the comp and ended up a world class marathoner! The first American ever to break the 13 minute barrier in the 5k.

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So to conclude, the most optimal training depends on what you're training for and your body type. Over the past decade we've realized new ways of training and how to apply them. As long as there are more methods to choose from, more people will gain a stimulus from training.

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It's hard to exclusively look at countries like Kenya and Ethiopia to see how to run fast, because while they're usually the fastest, they lack diversity in population. So the long distance training they do will work for the majority. In America, people come in from all over the world and now with cross-breading, people are more complicated than ever. Thankfully as time progresses, runners crack more codes on how to get fast and soon every ethnic group will be able to run fast, including the slow ones who are too this or too that.

Our red blood cells grow in different ways.

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