Tinman Elite workouts discussion

Your sample size is 1 workout?

Surprise! wrote:

Your sample size is 1 workout?

I'm not attempting to write a peer reviewed study here. Most of their other workouts are fairly soft in my opinion as well; feel free to browse their youtube channel. I won't like every single one of their videos here.

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Haven't watched this one yet, but I have watched many of the others and agree. The approach seems to be middle to low quantity, middle to low intensity. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I also doubt this is justified by any kind of "oh, we keep easy days rolling and are logging 120+ so our workouts are more relaxed " etc. They just seem to simultaneously not run a lot in workouts, and not run a lot in basic running in and around the workouts; they just don't seem to run that much for professionals.

If you compare it to anything like what Wanders or Moen do, for example, it's just laughable. Of course this isn't necessarily an apples to apples comparison, as the general talent level in their group is assuredly less. Still, I'm not sure why 13:20-13:45 types think training like 13:40-14:00 types is gonna let them break through to the next level.

Americans just don't seem to pursue the level of training that is seen in Japan and Kenya and so on.

I just don't really understand the logic of it. It's almost like they're trying to avoid doing actual work as much as possible.

I mean, in this particular workout, they did less than 10k of work at slightly faster than half marathon pace for the bulk of it.

I never see them do something like 6x1k at race pace or something like that, or block 400s, etc...

The real question is when are they changing their name?

This workouts seems appropriate if they are in a big training block, 100-140 mpw, but I don't think they run that much volume right so this workout seems odd for guys training at that level.

Waitforit4 wrote:

This workouts seems appropriate if they are in a big training block, 100-140 mpw, but I don't think they run that much volume right so this workout seems odd for guys training at that level.

Looking at Drew's strava he runs around 75-80 mpw. He hasn't updated it since November though, so hard to say currently. I doubt these guys are running much more than that.

And also, this was only a few weeks ago, so I'd hope they were sharpening up soon...

At least they do more than brooks beasts, an absurdly low bar

I will never understand how running can effectively be someone's job and they still only run an hour or so a day (~70mpw at their level). Americans (or, at any rate, anyone training in an `american' system), just seem to purposely handicap themselves by refusing to train beyond a high school senior level.

Ah ok, i did see this one before. Yea just seems all over the place and not particularly focused. Parsons also dumbly ripped a 2:04 for no particular reason. I just don't see the purpose, as you said most of the work is rather slow with randomly quicker 400 and 200 inserted. Just kind of random.

quasilogarithm wrote:

At least they do more than brooks beasts, an absurdly low bar

True, but to be fair most of the Beasts are 800/1500 runners, so it's more reasonable for them to run less. Most of Tinman do 5k+, so they should really be hitting high mileage.

Yep. Their training is weaker than some college runners . Just like how you can't transfer a pro schedule to a highschooler, you can't transfer a college schedule to a pro level, but this is what their training looks like. If a highschooler gets 5km of 5k pace work in, then a college athlete should get 6k in, and a pro should get 8k in.

Personally, I think that Wanders and a lot of Kenyans train too hard, but the optimal zone is somewhere between TME and them.

I thought they were all injured. Why do people keep talking about them like they are going to the Olympics?

Every workout has a purpose. Plenty of scrubs run crazy fast workouts then have nothing on race day or don’t even make the starting line because they get injured from training too hard.

Just because you can handle incredible workouts doesn’t mean you should do incredible workouts all the time.

Not every workout needs to look like a Rocky training montage. Hard workouts do have their place but so do medium hard workouts, race pace, easy runs, recovery runs, etc.

The Realest Hobby Jogger wrote:

Every workout has a purpose. Plenty of scrubs run crazy fast workouts then have nothing on race day or don’t even make the starting line because they get injured from training too hard.

Just because you can handle incredible workouts doesn’t mean you should do incredible workouts all the time.

Not every workout needs to look like a Rocky training montage. Hard workouts do have their place but so do medium hard workouts, race pace, easy runs, recovery runs, etc.

Right but my point is that nearly ALL of their workouts are like this. And they act as if it were a herculean effort, when it really should not have been.

I also think doing "incredible workouts all the time" is a good strategy either. I'm just surprised that they never seem to do any actual volume at race pace.

Hobbs Joggler wrote:

I thought they were all injured. Why do people keep talking about them like they are going to the Olympics?

Drew certainly seems to be.

Not even entered for Portland track fest. Hasn’t raced since an indoor 1500 in like February. Running out of time to get that standard.

idjogger wrote:

Hobbs Joggler wrote:

I thought they were all injured. Why do people keep talking about them like they are going to the Olympics?

Drew certainly seems to be.

Not even entered for Portland track fest. Hasn’t raced since an indoor 1500 in like February. Running out of time to get that standard.

Do you need the standard prior to the trials or can you get it after finishing top 3? Not entirely clear on that.

Keep in mind they're at 5300 ft. Things are a little more difficult up there.