Cole Hocker vs Jakob Ingebritsen

Metricer wrote:

This has been said so many times on this board, and just shows how ignorant NCAA fans are to the rest of the world. Jakob has closed a 13:03 race in 25.

It was a 26 basically (maybe you could generously call it a 25.9 or 25.8). He didn't really have to shift gears as the entire lap was fast. Hocker is the more explosive athlete as far as kicking or changing speeds. This isn't an affront to Jakob, but he doesn't have the same change of speed as Hocker as fast as he is.

I agree with people who say that Hocker will not even race Jakob, as he will not be on the DL circuit and he will not qualify for Tokyo.

If they did race, Jakob would destroy him.

nopeeeeee wrote:

They both run 3:36 but cole Hocker has a better kick so I think he will win the Olympic gold

No, Cole runs a 3:36. Jakob runs a 3:28 and is a superior racer on top of that. Jakob ran 3:36 in a tactical race with horrible conditions in the middle of a training cycle. Cole ran 3:36 in an honest race with excellent conditions and he was on fresh legs because he tapered for it. You're either trolling or don't understand track

bugattiaron wrote:

nopeeeeee wrote:

They both run 3:36 but cole Hocker has a better kick so I think he will win the Olympic gold

No, Cole runs a 3:36. Jakob runs a 3:28 and is a superior racer on top of that. Jakob ran 3:36 in a tactical race with horrible conditions in the middle of a training cycle. Cole ran 3:36 in an honest race with excellent conditions and he was on fresh legs because he tapered for it. You're either trolling or don't understand track

How do you know he tapered for it? I highly doubt he tapered for a race in early May that doesn’t mean anything.

nopeeeeee wrote:

Comparing the slowest time of the season? wrote:

Are we comparing their slowest times of the season? If so, then you need to claim Hocker's 3:38 or 3:39, whatever it was. If we're comparing fastest times of 2021 then you need to include Ingebritsens 3:31 1500 from indoors, which is much better than a 3:36 1500 or a 3:50 full mile.

Anyone honestly hyping up Hocker over Ingebritsen must be in college or younger (meaning immature) and not experienced in life to see years and years of racing, or hasn't followed the sport as long as the rest of us.

Jakob pr in mile is 3:51. Cole pr in mile 3:50. End of discussion

Love it. Filip Ingebrigtsen 3.49. Cole 3.50. End of discussion.

This thread reminds me of this old thread. People thought that Jakob had no reason to even be in the same heat as Wightman. We all know that Jacob ended up being double gold medalist at Euro champ later that year.

This time, it’s Hocker who people underestimate

Lenny Leonard wrote:

I agree with people who say that Hocker will not even race Jakob, as he will not be on the DL circuit and he will not qualify for Tokyo.

If they did race, Jakob would destroy him.

I mean in a fast-paced Diamond League drag race, possibly. Jakob can run 3:28/9. Hocker might be well slower for sure. But you realize Olly Hoare didn't get "destroyed" by Jakob yesterday in a more tactical race and he's got PBs that are pretty similar to Hocker's. 3:33.19 to a 3:50.55 mile. Hocker has a faster 5,000 PB than Hoare. Hocker just recently ran another crazy double 1:46.39/13:32 (25 second last 200 with a crazy surge) with not much rest.

I'm not sure why you'd be so sure Hocker won't make the US team.

Let u know when Hocker can run 3.36 in conditions where Richardson can't break 11.4

And the ones that Laura Muir ran 4:03, and a Spaniard Katir you'd never heard of ran 13:08? It was bad conditions, but 3:36 is 7+ seconds off his PB. It was a good win for Jakob, but this idea that Jakob is "destroying" people left and right, I'm not seeing it.

Unless Hocker drops 8 seconds off his 1500 it doesn't happen. Hocker is great but Ingebritsen is way better. Jakob can break 3:30 and has done it on several occasions. Hocker hasn't even broken 3:35. If Jakob ran a competitive mile race he could most definitely break the world record (3:43.) Hocker isn't even in shape to break the collegiate record (3:50.) Give him a few years and maybe he can get a little faster but he's not there yet.

Muir was over 8.5 seconds off her best. More than Jacob.

Noah Hansen wrote:

Unless Hocker drops 8 seconds off his 1500 it doesn't happen. Hocker is great but Ingebritsen is way better. Jakob can break 3:30 and has done it on several occasions. Hocker hasn't even broken 3:35. If Jakob ran a competitive mile race he could most definitely break the world record (3:43.) Hocker isn't even in shape to break the collegiate record (3:50.) Give him a few years and maybe he can get a little faster but he's not there yet.

What are you talking about? Hocker has run 3:50.55 for the mile. Give me a break with the breaking 3:35 nonsense. A 3:50.55 is a 3:33 1500, they are 109 meters apart there is no ambiguity. He is 100% in shape to break the mile record. He's PBing in the 800 and running great 5,000s. Just a matter of getting into a fast/important 1500 and prioritizing it.

And Jakob breaking the mile World Record? Where do you get that from? Last year in Monaco he showed he can run 3:45-3:46 possibly. 3:43.12 is a different territory.

ohfvvhvjbjhj wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8846745#8846977

This thread reminds me of this old thread. People thought that Jakob had no reason to even be in the same heat as Wightman. We all know that Jacob ended up being double gold medalist at Euro champ later that year.

This time, it’s Hocker who people underestimate

A strange conclucion. But we never know, you know.

Hocker is not cracking 3:35 this summer. However I think he will definitely qualify in the trials and also will be in the olympic final, all that purely because of his kick.

Interesting with this Hocker. Fast 800 and good 5000s, he might be a superb 1500-runner. This season we don't know for sure about Jakob. But at best, you are right, 3.46. He might go to Doha to meet Cheruiyot at the 28th.

Not every ace NCAA runner is actually All That, on a global stage. Good thing we actually have races.

"This thread reminds me of this old thread. People thought that Jakob had no reason to even be in the same heat as Wightman. We all know that Jacob ended up being double gold medalist at Euro champ later that year.

This time, it’s Hocker who people underestimate"

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I don´t think you can compare Wightman vs Jakob in 2018 with Jakob vs Hocker in 2020.

In 2018 some people claimed that Wightman was one level over Jakob. And according to the 1500m time they were right since Wightman had a PB at 3;34 at the time and Jakob´s low 3:52 in the mile converts to high 3:35 in the 1500m. But other people claimed that Jakob was at least at the same level as Wightman betting Jakob would beat Wightman later in the summer. And they were right since Jakob ran low 3:31 in Monaco more than 2.5 seconds faster than W. And also beat W in the European championships.

On the contrary I don´t think anyone will claim that Cole will be on the same level as Jakob (when it comes to PBs in the 1500m and upwards) any time soon if ever. So as a patriot your only hope must be that the 1500m will be tactical so Hocker can use his finishing speed. I will address that possibility in my next post.

KaareV wrote:

"Interesting with this Hocker. Fast 800 and good 5000s, he might be a superb 1500-runner. This season we don't know for sure about Jakob. But at best, you are right, 3.46. He might go to Doha to meet Cheruiyot at the 28th. "

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I am very positive on Hocker and predicted him to do great already after his 3:50 mile months ago having also predicted him to qualify for the US Olympic team in the 1500m. But he hasn´t shown world class level yet. His 800m PB is almost 2 seconds slower than Centro´s and Engel´s PBs and more than 2 seconds after Wightman´s. Hocker´s 5000m is respectable but far from Jakob´s and Centro´s ( and El-Guerrouj´s).

Jakob 3:46 in the mile!? Don´t you think he is still improving Kaare? His 3:28.68 last year equalled around 3:45.40 in the mile.

Doha 1500m : Jakob hinted some time ago that he might participate but I don´t think he will (he is not on the start list!). So unless you have some insider knowledge he will probably not run.

Kicking at 3.35 pace when there are one or two in the race that can run that pace is one thing. Doing it in a race where all 12 can do it and are all trying to get in perfect position is different. I'm not saying all 12 can kick like Hocker but they will be accelerating to get in place in a way Hocker is not used to in the NCAA.