Hocker drop a 1:54(25 second last 200) and destroys Teare in the 5k!

Lhotse wrote:

avnlkkn wrote:

I still think Hocker's double was more impressive, but Teare did close in 54 to win the 1500m in 3:39 over 3:34 guy Sam Tanner and made it look easy.

Does Hocker need to run the 5k at the trials and Teare the 1500m even though this whole time we've been thinking the other way around? Teare has beaten Hocker twice at mile/1500m and once at 3k and Hocker has beaten Teare at 3k and 5k twice.

Similar to his indoor double: it's like the first race just primes him for a monster kick in the second race, both times at Teare's expense.

Wakens his CNS.

good kidd madd city wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

Also didn't this 5000 violate California mask and social distancing mandates? Someone report them on Newsomes snitch line if that still exist.

"But in California, there is no definitive rule mandating masks on the playing field, as in states such as Minnesota; though players, coaches and spectators on the sidelines and in the stands must wear the face coverings.

The California Interscholastic Federation, the body that governs high school athletics in the state, allows student-athletes to play without masks, for instance. Leagues have wide latitude to set rules."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article250496144.html

Do you have the internet in whatever poverty state you're from? Or is the reading comprehension level not up to handling complete sentences like these?

It was a joke bro. Don't be Rojo dense.

Just watched a replay of Doha men’s 5K and the dude by the name of “No Form at All,” Edris ( gotta love the British announcers) closed the 12:58 in 1:54 for the win.

The Ingebrigsen brothers tried working together. The older one DNF’D and Jakob was left sprawling , literally, on the finish line ground.

I’m not saying Americans can’t do it but the odds are slim to non in winning an Olympic 5k title this year.

No American man is getting close to a distance medal in Tokyo. When Hocker can close a 13:00 race in 53 then he has a shot, until then, he'll be running down people for sixth place.

On a good day, Centro might get a bronze in the 1500 but in the 5k and 10k, Americans and Europeans will just be happy to be there

Hunter for silver.

oldoldrunner wrote:

I’m not saying Americans can’t do it but the odds are slim to non in winning an Olympic 5k title this year.

runderun wrote:

No American man is getting close to a distance medal in Tokyo. When Hocker can close a 13:00 race in 53 then he has a shot, until then, he'll be running down people for sixth place.

On a good day, Centro might get a bronze in the 1500 but in the 5k and 10k, Americans and Europeans will just be happy to be there

It's always great to hear this trope over and over, but the results see things differently. Take Chelimo, take Centro, take Leo, take numerous medalists in the top half of a Oly/WC final. The idea that pure speed, TT PR's or nationality will win is a joke and is disproven championship after championship.

Here is the Rio 5000m Final with pre-Rio PR's listed.

1 Mo FARAH - 7:32/12:53

2 Paul CHELIMO 7:39/13:21

3 Hagos GEBRHIWET - 7:32/12:54

4 Mohammed AHMED - 7:40/13:01

5 Bernard LAGAT - 7:29/12:53

6 Andrew BUTCHART - 7:45/13:13

7 Albert ROP - 7:35/12:51

8 Joshua CHEPTEGEI - 3:37/13:00

9 Birhanu BALEW - 7:44/13:14

10 Abrar OSMAN - 13:04

11 Hassan MEAD - 7:38/13:02

12 Dejen GEBREMESKE - 7:34/12:46

13 Elroy GELANT - 7:41/13:04

14 Brett ROBINSON - 7:44/13:18

15 David TORRENCE - 7:40/13:16

DQ (4th at finish) Muktar EDRIS - 12:54

There have been two championships since Rio and the Africans adjusted.

They took the kick out of Mo and they simply ran faster than Centro could and destroyed him.

I don’t see these young Americans being able to run, potentially, fast heats. Semis and finals against these seasoned Africans who have taken their lumps over the past five years and made their adjustments.

I hope I’m wrong and these young Americans are in indeed the that rare individual that can handle what the Africans are going to give them.

For sure, when we look back at the post-Rio WC we see progression: London 5000m final allowed for a guy like Chelimo [despite his big PR in Rio and 7:31 in may 2017, still arguably slower/weaker than ~5 Africans in each Final] to hang on and repeat as a medalist. In Doha, things were kept more honest and your hypothetical played out with a pace that weeded out the weaker legs.

I'm not trying to hype the young americans as contenders, at all, but rather say that the way Oly/WC finals often shake out doesn't inherently favor the fastest PR. I have no doubt that Africans, through team tactics and learned success, will push the pace in Tokyo and do the same as in Doha. But history favors that not playing out as planned, so we'll see.

I think the biggest point, circling back to the beginnings of this thread, the Cole/Hocker trials thread and the whole concept of Hocker, Teare (or Hoare) as sudden world class talents is the "how" of those times are achieved. Centro, Chelimo, Lomong, Mead, True and other Americans have proven themselves to be able to race and finish in global finals where the combination of heats, racing tactics and aggressive competition is a whole different thing to manage over just running fast.