Were last night's ACC 10ks, the greatest in NCAA conference 10,000 history?

Big 10 future stars, two freshmen.

7. Evan Bishop Wisconsin 29:22.70

9. Bob Liking. Wisconsin 29:31.59

These guys will kick booty in the next few years. Seth Hirsch - future good marathoner.

Idk RoJoke. Need another dime store study of yours to find out.

Would have expected Notre dame to score more points after 2nd in XC. What happened? Specifically to kilrea?

Is 29:00 for D1 a tough standard? I recall Don Sage once running 28:46 in training flats, the only time he even raced the distance in his career. Now, he was an excellent xc guy too (6th,7th,13th at nationals) but maybe 29:00 is setting the bar a little low for all this excitement?

ACC 10k came down to the last two laps. I think almost the entire field was still in the race with 1 mile to go. It was a free-for-all at the end and the best kickers won. Notre Dame had six finishers under 29:30 but only two of them scored. I am guessing ND - with 3 fresh guys under 13:45 in the 5k - will work and push the pace a lot harder in that final today - along with Adriaan Wildschutt and a couple others. Nguse did okay in the 1500 prelim, however.....

It's a bastardized conference that has only existed for a few years. Traditionally only NC State and Fla Sttate had good distance programs in that group with ocasionally Virginia, Clemson, and virginia Tech having a good progam, right?

UNC, Miami, Maryland, Boston College, and Wake Forest were non-entities distance wise. and I remember Duke having Nick Schneider or Curtis Beach but rarely a whole team of good runners

Also, 7 guys from Stanford seeded at 13:49 or better. I expect after the race, Oregon will have more than that under 14 (some of their guys have no times).

Super shoe story aside, I note that all those Notre Dame runners are underclassmen. That's some serious depth for next fall's XC season.

The fact is that NCAA quality depth has increased because high school quality depth has improved markedly over the past ten years (I'm trying to include all the BYU guys with that timeframe).

In 2021, so far, 10 guys have run 8:53 2M, according to Track and Field News. They're not in the NCAA yet, obviously. Skipping over 2020 because of a lack of competitions,

2019 10 at 8:54 or better, 24 sub 9 (Young, Sprout, ... Bosley, Hicks, Daschbach, Anderson, Schoppe, ... Hocker (8:59))

2018 a relatively poor year, 21 sub 9, 11 sub 8:56 (Mwaura, Sprout, Raff, ..., Anderson .. Kilrea)

2017 10 at 8:47 or better, 25 at 8:57 or better (#1-4 Teare, Hasty, Affolder, Grijalva, then not far back, Hull, Principe, Clinger, Bolger, Brown at 8:54)

2016 13 sub 8:54, at least 25 sub 9 (some of them, Noah Affolder, Casey Clinger, Cooper Teare and Reed Brown (both 8:53), Sam Worley, Callum Bolger)

TFN wouldn't let me go any further back here but the talent has been in the pipeline for years. There's a reason we're getting a lot of depth. But that depth has been increasing slightly every year or almost every year, rather than jumping in one year because of shoes. There's no good evidence, as I showed in another thread, that the track shoes, in contrast to the road shoes, are impacting the lists.

Don’t forget that there are very opportunities to get in fast 10ks this year and it is an Olympic year so everyone needs to get their times for the Trials.

There seems to be some contributing factors that add up to the depth being seen across the board in college running because the same thing can be said at the D2 level nationally and somewhat at the D3 level. The depth is at an all-time high.

For example the D2 Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference has traditionally been a very strong D2 XC / distance conference and this season so far they had:

Sub 3:47 - 18

Sub 9:05 ST - 9

Sub 14:05 - 11

Sub 29:20 - 8

15 years ago that would've been the D2 national list, not just a conference.

paul72 wrote:

fast times for sure---shoes making a difference, but NCAA depth way better in the past 10-15 years-I believe that West prelims in 2018-the cutoff for women qualifying for NCAA was low 33 minutes for the 10000m...

Yep. Also this spring they aren't fried from 9 months of nonstop racing.

rojo wrote:

Speaking only about times (ignoring the impact of super shoes), has there anything like what we saw last night?

1)6th place in a men's 10,000 at 29:12? The top 6 all ran 29:11-29:12 and were separated by just 1.54 seconds

2) 11 guys broke 29:30 and DID NOT SCORE. Yes19th place broke 29:30.

. Has there ever been a conference meet before with anything like that before?

For the women,

3) Has anyone ever run 33:32 before and not scored? Doesn't that almost always make NCAAs at regionals?

https://results.flashresults.com/2021_05-13_ACC/028-1_compiled.htmhttps://results.flashresults.com/2021_05-13_ACC/008-1_compiled.htm

5k was better

Ghost1 wrote:

Big 10 future stars, two freshmen.

7. Evan Bishop Wisconsin 29:22.70

9. Bob Liking. Wisconsin 29:31.59

These guys will kick booty in the next few years. Seth Hirsch - future good marathoner.

lol good one

No video of the race? I know it's probably not part of the regular broadcast , cuz it takes too long. But no one puts any of it up on YouTube or anything?

Unusually cool weather for May and yes, the conferences have so many teams now.

rojo wrote:

rojo wrote:

Speaking only about times (ignoring the impact of super shoes), has there anything like what we saw last night?

1) 6th place in a men's 10,000 at 29:12?

The shoes are unreal. SEC results are in. 6th was 29:13 but 'only' 8 broke 29:30

https://live.pttiming.com/?mid=2253

but

Does every post always have to be about the shoes? When will we start being excited about the times and the competition and stop narrowing focus on what EVERYONE is wearing. Like a some point, yall have to start to appreciate that these kiddos are ripping. And it's competitive. ANd it's exciting. Like finally track has some fun momentum - and sure..the shoes make a big difference...but we aren't going back...so let's chill out