Coach and I got into an argument

HSccCoach wrote:

I'm a HS coach and I dont allow kids to run for me that have a private coach. My advice for you is dump your private coach, and if you cannot have faith in your HS coach, then switch schools to a school where you can have faith in that HS coach, but dump your private coach.

Can't accept the fact that the private coach is probably better than you? Lol.

With those times you can get a scholarship to Eastern Michigan University. Its DI..Mid American conference. Where are you located and what is you're name?

You should get another coach and videotape a 2 mile time trial..send it to coaches. Kessler hobbs did that and is now going to Northern Arizona

So in Oregon where we have been on lockdown we didn't have a season until April of this year. All that before from March-March was all training and time trials I had done under my private coach, it's just tough because I know some knowledge of training and I know what's been working for my body/how to get into shape and it's frustrating cause he doesn't wanna hear any of my suggestions or nothing, his training is from his son's training from the 1980s and he just copy and pastes that into my training. Which his son and I are completely different runners his son ran 51 in the 400, 2:00 in the 800 and 4:24 in the 1500. He has taken the fun out of the meets for me and it's hard because all I am trying to do is become the best I can be.

Oregon high schoolers run the 3,000 not the 3200.

Ca$hclay wrote:

There is more to this story for sure. Fortunately, he's not gonna be your coach forever, but who do you think college coaches are going to contact when asking around about you? What do you want him to say? My HS coach and I did not see eye to eye on many things, but I made sure he knew I respected him and would do what he asked me to. Do the workouts, don't be a problem child and get on with it. It takes 2 to argue. The arguments and more specifically, you being argumentative, should end. Add volume on your own if you need to.

This is what I'd suggest too. If the plan is to make the leap to college athletics, you won't have a chance if you think you can approach them the way you have approached your high school coach. Getting into arguments with your coach suggests you think you are on level playing field with him. You are not. You are the athlete. He's in charge. It doesn't benefit him from being a hard ass coach, but don't forget your roll here. Even if it is 2021, you're not going to make it very far with that attitude.

This mentality is so hierarchical. Great athletes NEED to be advocates for themselves and have open discussions with their coaches. The mindset that the coach is always right is bs. The process of making a decision (training, life, whatever) is what's important, not the person making it. That's my way of saying this guy's coach isn't very good, but given his military background it sounds like he isn't going to sway in this either.

xccoach55112 wrote:

This mentality is so hierarchical. Great athletes NEED to be advocates for themselves and have open discussions with their coaches. The mindset that the coach is always right is bs. The process of making a decision (training, life, whatever) is what's important, not the person making it. That's my way of saying this guy's coach isn't very good, but given his military background it sounds like he isn't going to sway in this either.

He's still a bleeping kid. Kids need to know their place. There are ways to go about self advocating, but any kid who regularly gets into an argument with an adult doesn't know his place. This is why coaching has become so difficult. And if you as an athlete can't trust the coach you are playing for then the team/program isn't for you.

Runnerboyseekingadvice wrote:

First he was mad cause I didn't want to 16x200 @30-31

Then I asked him for more volume because I a endurance guy not a speed guy and he practically said his way is best

complete and utter disrespect cause I could've gotten hurt so easy and who does that??

Is your coach Jan Stenssen? Sound exactly like it.

According to posts on these boards, those are some of the stand out elements.

too much speed work without recovery

not enough volume

not communicating effectively with athletes

injuring athletes.

/waves at Canefis!!

The two coach thing will not work. That was a bad idea unless you had talked to your coach about it and he agreed (very unlikely). Like it or not your HS coach is the boss.

These last two posts are spot on, you have got to change your attitude about your situation. You have crossed over the coach/athlete line and you need to reel it back in ASAP. Be respectful, do what your coach says, don't pitch a fit, never call your coach out - these are basic expectations of all athletes on a team. If you have crossed these lines, you may need to talk to your coach one on one and tell him you were out of line (you were out of line). At the end of the day he has been doing this 50 years and you have been doing this for 3. How you handle adversity says a lot about your character - you have a change to make it right, take the high road.

You are a good runner, your coach must be doing something right?

Any college coach that recruits you is going to talk to your current coach. What's he going to say? Will he say you are smart, talented, and a team player? That's what you want him to say! A college coach will be listening when a HS coach says an athlete does not respect authority and wants to do things their own way. If you quit the team, or get kicked off - that's going to be a red flag for coaches who may recruit you.

been there done dat wrote:

Any college coach that recruits you is going to talk to your current coach.

This is what this kid needs to hear.

xccoach55112 wrote:

This mentality is so hierarchical. Great athletes NEED to be advocates for themselves and have open discussions with their coaches. The mindset that the coach is always right is bs. The process of making a decision (training, life, whatever) is what's important, not the person making it. That's my way of saying this guy's coach isn't very good, but given his military background it sounds like he isn't going to sway in this either.

Hierarchy and respect seem to be forgotten precepts that when properly implemented = success. There is a difference between rationally and intelligently discussing points of contention and being a divisive diva who argues about everything. All of us have acted on orders that we don't necessarily agree with, but are also not deal-breakers. You have to recognize who you're working with and get on with it. None of us except the OP know the full story here, but most 17 year olds (myself included) think they have all the answers, when in actuality, they don't have a f'ng clue.

Ca$hclay wrote:

Hierarchy and respect seem to be forgotten precepts that when properly implemented = success. There is a difference between rationally and intelligently discussing points of contention and being a divisive diva who argues about everything. All of us have acted on orders that we don't necessarily agree with, but are also not deal-breakers. You have to recognize who you're working with and get on with it. None of us except the OP know the full story here, but most 17 year olds (myself included) think they have all the answers, when in actuality, they don't have a f'ng clue.

Respect is nowadays not god given, it will be earned.

However, a coach who puts his/her program over all athletes without individualization, is nowadays just a bad coach. Lesson not learned. Point.