good race from nuguse and happy to see he is fit, but as usually teare did most of the work and this time cole got boxed in. the times are fine and you cant peak for this race, the ncaas and the trials. still think there is a really good chance that at least one of the (american) oregon boys makes the team.
te5n1k wrote:
good race from nuguse and happy to see he is fit, but as usually teare did most of the work and this time cole got boxed in. the times are fine and you cant peak for this race, the ncaas and the trials. still think there is a really good chance that at least one of the (american) oregon boys makes the team.
But not the (American) Notre Dame boy that just beat them in his first 1500m in two years?
khccgckclh wrote:
revengeoftherojo wrote:
Rojo vindicated: Cole Hocker should have gone pro straight after indoors and cashed out.
We do realize that this is an outdoor PB for Cole. He improved his outdoor PB by over 2.5s. That’s pretty good. Not sure how “bad” this race was.
The pacing was not as good as when he ran his indoor mile PB. So this could explain why this is not an absolute PB for him.
I don’t believe that he ever won against Teare in the 1500/mile before. He was almost as close to him than he was during the indoor mile.
It was not a “great” race for him (or Teare). But it was certainly not a “bad” race.
Again, it’s not as if he ran 3:40.31... or anything slow like that.
rojo wrote:
koper wrote:
And still no standard.
It's posts like yours that show the standards are an embarrassment to the sport. The US should be allowed to send any 3 that it wants.
We just had a great race and the first thing fans post about is some stupid standard when the reality is the standard was really only supposed to be like insurance policy for the world's super stars who were coming back from injury or something. Like 25% of the guys were supposed to get in on standard. Most were supposed to come from world ranking but things changed with the super spikes.
-Rojo.
PS. I apologize for posting under letsrun in the 1st post. I'm sure Wejo will rip me but i was logged into the wrong browser.
Rojo....you said the U.S. should be allowed to send any 3 it wants to the Olympic Games in the 1500. WTH!!?? When did we in the last 50 years become a powerhouse in that event? Maybe you were referring to the 100m, 200m, 400m, 110H, 100H, 400H or SP.
SMH.....stop commenting.
Yared Nuguse is a racer and he has a fine kick. To get under 3:36 is rare territory during the NCAA season. Teare's kick is not quite there but it is solid. Hocker has a very high ceiling right now. NCAA champs will be fun to watch for the rematch, and then all three will be there at USA's in the final with a shot at the team. No way to say now who will win.
Questionable1 wrote:
rojo wrote:
It's posts like yours that show the standards are an embarrassment to the sport. The US should be allowed to send any 3 that it wants.
We just had a great race and the first thing fans post about is some stupid standard when the reality is the standard was really only supposed to be like insurance policy for the world's super stars who were coming back from injury or something. Like 25% of the guys were supposed to get in on standard. Most were supposed to come from world ranking but things changed with the super spikes.
-Rojo.
PS. I apologize for posting under letsrun in the 1st post. I'm sure Wejo will rip me but i was logged into the wrong browser.
Rojo....you said the U.S. should be allowed to send any 3 it wants to the Olympic Games in the 1500. WTH!!?? When did we in the last 50 years become a powerhouse in that event? Maybe you were referring to the 100m, 200m, 400m, 110H, 100H, 400H or SP.
SMH.....stop commenting.
We are the 2nd best nation at the distance in the last two decades.
Perhaps this was a purposeful educational race. I believe Cole Hocker was instructed to stay in a bad position and then attempt to work out of it during the last lap. He typically likes to go right to the front and this was not the case. Preparing for more competitive races IMHO.
Danicmic1 wrote:
Perhaps this was a purposeful educational race. I believe Cole Hocker was instructed to stay in a bad position and then attempt to work out of it during the last lap. He typically likes to go right to the front and this was not the case. Preparing for more competitive races IMHO.
This is correct. Just as Centro was asked to run 1:50.97 the other week. These guys are preparing for something.
Danicmic1 wrote:
Perhaps this was a purposeful educational race. I believe Cole Hocker was instructed to stay in a bad position and then attempt to work out of it during the last lap. He typically likes to go right to the front and this was not the case. Preparing for more competitive races IMHO.
Lol keep the excuses coming.
Is it time to get out my Stop Pre t-shirt yet?
Nuguse was underrated going in. It’s good to see him get a more appropriate PB and a signature win. All these guys can run 3:32-3 in the right race which is an improvement over 2019.
For once , I agree with you.
Flagpole, everything isn't about YOU.
To be quite honest what this race revealed to me is that Hocker really isn't that special. None of these guys have a realistic chance of making it to the Olympics this year.
Should be a great NCAA 1500 though.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Nuguse was underrated going in. It’s good to see him get a more appropriate PB and a signature win. All these guys can run 3:32-3 in the right race which is an improvement over 2019.
No, really check, Nuguse and Hocker will not find a better "right race" as they are paced all the way to the wire. Teare can maybe run 3:35 flat in the "right race"
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To be quite honest what this race revealed to me is that Hocker really isn't that special. None of these guys have a realistic chance of making it to the Olympics this year.
Should be a great NCAA 1500 though.
What about Nuguse being the most overrated runner in the NCAA, being lucky to finish top 3 in this race, being worse than Waleed, not being remotely in the class of Hocker and Teare, etc? You trashed him.
Questionable1 wrote:
Rojo....you said the U.S. should be allowed to send any 3 it wants to the Olympic Games in the 1500. WTH!!?? When did we in the last 50 years become a powerhouse in that event? Maybe you were referring to the 100m, 200m, 400m, 110H, 100H, 400H or SP.
SMH.....stop commenting.
look. there is zero doubt we are going to send 3. So World Athletics shoudl but out and let their be drama at the Trials. Why do they care what 3 go?
The #1 problem with marketing the sport is most meets are practice and mean almost nothing.
At a US Trials race and the actual Olympics, the races mean everything. It's amazing and those races are popular. It's ok and great for fans when the best people sometimes don't make it. In the NFL, they don't put the two best teams in the Super Bowl. They make them play it out in the playoffs.
When the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2013, they had to get TOTALLY Lucky in a earlier playoff game aginst Denver. So what. It's amazing drama.
the beagle wrote:
` wrote:
To be quite honest what this race revealed to me is that Hocker really isn't that special. None of these guys have a realistic chance of making it to the Olympics this year.
Should be a great NCAA 1500 though.
What about Nuguse being the most overrated runner in the NCAA, being lucky to finish top 3 in this race, being worse than Waleed, not being remotely in the class of Hocker and Teare, etc? You trashed him.
Still think Waleed is on par with these guys. Obviously I was wrong about Nuguse. But I think that's because I put Teare and Hocker on a pedestal they should not have been on. They're great NCAA runners. Won't compete for the national team unfortunately. I was expecting more from them in that race.
I'm glad that you read my posts so closely though ;)
Really dumb posts tend to stick out 🤷♂️
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the beagle wrote:
What about Nuguse being the most overrated runner in the NCAA, being lucky to finish top 3 in this race, being worse than Waleed, not being remotely in the class of Hocker and Teare, etc? You trashed him.
Still think Waleed is on par with these guys. Obviously I was wrong about Nuguse. But I think that's because I put Teare and Hocker on a pedestal they should not have been on. They're great NCAA runners. Won't compete for the national team unfortunately. I was expecting more from them in that race.
I'm glad that you read my posts so closely though ;)
Suliman absolutely is on the same level, I am predicting he picks up a 2-3 spot.
But for the others saying Cole Hocker had a sub par race or whatever, yeesh. I kind of accept he is a force to be reckoned with and if he finishes not first he will still be a force to be reckoned with the next race. Last night two very high quality runners beat him by a split second. Cole can still win the trials and this be considered a stepping stone along the way. He is on such a high level right now.
the beagle wrote:
Really dumb posts tend to stick out 🤷♂️
I'm not sure why it's really dumb to expect a guy who hasn't raced a 1500m in two years to be a step behind two 3:50 milers. But I guess you're never wrong about anything.
Making predictions is the point of the forum, regardless if they're right or wrong.
My next prediction: no NCAA runners will make the Olympic 1500 team (except maybe Suliman). I look forward to you calling me a moran when (if) I'm wrong!