Help me understand Joe Rogan's vaccination stance for people in their low-20s

He's just saying dumb stuff and that's incredibly dangerous when you have that kind of a platform.

NERunner00053 wrote:

He's just saying dumb stuff and that's incredibly dangerous when you have that kind of a platform.

Might be as simple as that. This feels different than being like I don't think I should have to wear a mask outdoors when I work out or something. Not much of a scientific/data-based gray area here or an optics piece to it.

The initial concerns regarding the vaccine were legitimate. I sure didn’t want to be the first person testing the vaccine as my odds of survival from covid were known and high, but the vaccine odds were unknown. (IMO the same can be said about covid, initial precautions were legitimate, but now that we know more a lot of the concerns are overblown, we know it doesn’t spread via surfaces, so what’s with all the hand sanitizer?)

The concerns are now overblown. Enough people are several months out from their vaccine that we know they pose a very small risk. Personally the chance of the vaccine just laying dormant and only resulting in side effects years later seem close to nil.

For a healthy person the risk of the vaccine is no worse than covid (which the anti vaxxers acknowledge isn’t high enough to worry about). The difference is, even if I face the same odds of death from covid as the vaccine, my odds of killing someone else if I get covid is much higher than if I get the vaccine. The vaccine isn’t perfect, so you still get it to protect other vaccinated people.

So to sum, you should get the vaccine.

Highly reasonable. This is why they have the large clinical trials, though. I understand Rogan is probably a little conspiratorial in thinking they could hide participants who had bad outcomes. So, if you're paranoid I supposed that reasoning could make sense. But agree with you it's long past the time where that was valid.

Rogan knows his audience. They are largely voracious consumers of youtube garbage videos and like to think that they have superior knowledge about everything because they eschew traditional media sources. He is just pandering to these idiots when he says that people in their 20s shouldn't get the vax. In his world, if he came out 100% pro vax, he would get cancelled.

Don't forget, Joe Rogan is a comic who hosted a show where people ate bugs for money. He is an entertainer. His show can have a veneer of authenticity because he does these long deep dive interviews and he is reasonably well prepared to keep up with his guests. But his endgame is gathering clicks and pleasing sponsors. He is doing the same thing that MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews does. He just does it for gamers with lots of tattoos or UFC wannabees who spend too much time at the gym.

NERunner00053 wrote:

He's just saying dumb stuff and that's incredibly dangerous when you have that kind of a platform.

Look at excess deaths among those under 25. They are unchanged from the previous five years. The advice he is giving is not that dumb. Immunity gained from the wild virus is just as robust as immunity gained from the vaccines and the risk is similar (although adjuvants and other additives to the vaccine may pose risks in their own right). What is dumb is shutting down youth sports, shutting down schools, etc. for a disease that is not that bad for those under 25 (especially since all the staff members have had access to vaccinations if they choose at this point). All the nattering nabobs of negativism that were predicting deaths of college athletes if colleges played football or basketball or whatever, look much dumber than Rogan at this point.

What are Joe Rogan's credentials in medicine and public health?

Why would I introduce something into my body that has a chance at killing me(even though it is a very small chance) when I can just take my chances not getting Covid. It’s been over a year so far and I don’t have a job where I work from home. I’m in public everyday. Still alive without caving to the vaccine sheep

He's a f***ing * idiot*. Does that help?

Rogan is saying we have no responsibility toward anyone but ourselves. None. Zero. The world is a frontier and we’re on our own.

The immunity for the young 20 year old may be just as robust and at a similar risk of death as from the vaccine, but, unlike the vaccine, getting covid also comes with the risk you may spread it to someone else who then dies.

If the vaccine risk is similar to the covid risk, get the vaccine.

Those children go home after school and sports to their parents, siblings and maybe even grandparents depending on their family dynamics.

So I was totally on board with all precautions till Texas opened and we now see everything is fine.

It's time to end this craziness.

The person who said Rogan is a guy who knows his audience is bang on. His whole appeal to people is he confidently preaches the narrtivies they want to hear. He's right about a lot of things, sure, but he's way off on a lot of things too. To anyone who likes the guy I recommend finding one of his podcasts where he's discussing a topic that you yourself know very well and giving it a listen. Only then can you see how much the guy talks out of his ***.

Who is really killing the economy?

He got you to talk about him and me to reply to you about talking about him.

And of course his defenders to chime in.

That’s good for his sponsors.

And way more important than providing useful information that makes us all better off.

Who wants to listen to doctors that spent their life studying this when we have a muscle head comedian with a microphone explain all we want to know?

And that goes for quoting Bill Maher as well.

Rogan lines running in those five finger shoes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z-4lswuzlGM

it is not all about me wrote:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/92191https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/ut-southwestern-identifies-first-cases-of-the-brazil-variant-of-covid-19-in-north-texas/2614803/

Your point? I’m not going to cower every time a variant pops up. Last week it was the South African variant. Now another one. Big deal