HOLY CRAP WHAT A MEET in Lievin today (2 p.m. ET) -- Ingebrigtsens, Hassan, Barega, Muir, & tons more

So are we also saying Yannis Kouros performance is better statistically than Wales?

Jabba jabba wrote:

So are we also saying Yannis Kouros performance is better statistically than Wales?

Yep

Good to know. Thank you. And what respect does Kouros get for that? Take a guess. Statistically. Lol.

Rarely post anymore since Wejo banned me for life wrote:

Kudos to the cutiepie Winfred Yavi for winning the 2000m steeple in a World Record of 5:45. Granted its a seldom run event, although becoming more popular indoors, but it was an awesome race. She called me elated afterwards. Next up she'll run a 5k on the roads in Monaco on the 14th.

She tried to get me too, bruh, but I ignored the call.

Our recap and analysis is up:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/02/madness-in-lievin-gudaf-tsegay-shatters-womens-1500-wr-grant-holloway-breaks-american-60h-record-getnet-wale-runs-724-more/

deydoodoodohdohdontdeydoo? wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Fine...I’ll tell you that Jakob has not run “<3:28”.

I don’t think Wale’s 3k is necessarily better than Jakob’s outdoor 1500 PB, and I’m not gonna claim he and Barega are overall better runners than Jakob, but you should admit that 3:31.8 is the 3rd most impressive mid/long distance performance of the meet.

Why is that? Because you like to denigrate European athletes subject to much stricter doping controls than East Africans? Jakob just ran the 5th fastest time ever indoors and broke the European record, with no competition (which actually included the WR holder). Plus the 1500m is 10 x the importance of the 3000m.

No.

Because 3:31.8i is worth 1274 points on the IAAF scoring tables, while 7:24.98i is worth 1298 points, and Tsegay’s 3:53.09i is worth 1285 points. Outdoors, the disparity becomes greater: 1219 for Jakob, 1271 for Wale, 1262 for Tsegay.

Because Tsegay’s run was the WR, Wale’s was the 2nd fastest time ever, and Ingebrigtsen’s was the 5th fastest time ever. Outdoors, the times would make Wale #3 AT, Tsegay #8 AT (#4 non-Chinese national championships), and Ingebrigtsen #102 AT.

Because the pacing was more erratic in the W1500 and M3K, causing us all to wonder what kind of potential could be there, while Jakob’s race went according to the script—and finally, nonessentially, because we all expected this performance from Jakob coming in, whereas nobody was predicting Tsegay 3:53.09 or Wale 7:24.9.

I don’t believe that I “like to denigrate European athletes” for one minute. I’m sure doping played into today’s results, but has nothing to do with my assessment. I know doping is a problem in East Africa, but I don’t dismiss all East African talent as being doped, because I’m not a fool.

idk who needs to hear this but Barega is definitely a better runner overall than Jakob by just about every measure

If you mean every measure by no measure at all then yes.

spade detector wrote:

Imagine being clueless enough to think 3:31 is better than 7:24 ???

Indoors it certainly is. Wale is not coming close to this outdoors.

Jabba jabba wrote:

spade detector wrote:

Imagine being clueless enough to think 3:31 is better than 7:24 ???

Indoors it certainly is. Wale is not coming close to this outdoors.

It certainly isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Jakob is winning gold.

spade detector wrote:

Jabba jabba wrote:

Indoors it certainly is. Wale is not coming close to this outdoors.

It certainly isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

1) All I know is that the world's best have tried their go at the indoor 1500 and could do no better than 3:31

2) the other 3:31 times slightly ahead of Jakob where with guys prepping, getting top pacing,cans having the goal of a world record

3) Jakob comes along after getting up off the couch for his first race of the year and nonchalantly runs near WR.

4) weren't you and the gang all giddy and blasting these boards with exuberant posts for weeks after Kejelche and Tefera ran 3:31s? Now 3:31 is nothing special? Hmmm.

I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea why.

5) Jakob is far better and you know it, but you just can't cope

macdaddy og 2 wrote:

john wilbur wrote:

Lol. We were discussing the 1500 and you show a 5000?

Also, are you next going to show results from when Jakob was 12?

0/10

Let me know when Jakob actually wins something. Heck, let me know when he has a medal ?

*double European champion (15/5) at 17 years of age.

birdbeard wrote:

idk who needs to hear this but Barega is definitely a better runner overall than Jakob by just about every measure

Can’t ever tell where that mf’er is looking, either. Throws me off.

Jabba jabba wrote:

spade detector wrote:

It certainly isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

1) All I know is that the world's best have tried their go at the indoor 1500 and could do no better than 3:31

2) the other 3:31 times slightly ahead of Jakob where with guys prepping, getting top pacing,cans having the goal of a world record

3) Jakob comes along after getting up off the couch for his first race of the year and nonchalantly runs near WR.

4) weren't you and the gang all giddy and blasting these boards with exuberant posts for weeks after Kejelche and Tefera ran 3:31s? Now 3:31 is nothing special? Hmmm.

I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea why.

5) Jakob is far better and you know it, but you just can't cope

You mean when Tefera ran a 1500 world record, and a couple weeks later Kejelcha ran an equally strong mile world record Yeah, that was a little more noteworthy than #5 AT, and arguably more intriguing because neither Tefera or Kejelcha owned commensurate 1500 times outdoors.

3:31.8i is fantastic, and to win in such dominating fashion is impressive. I certainly never said otherwise. I think it’s insane how people take the notion that his run wasn’t the #1 story of this singular action-packed meet almost as a personal affront.

I think Ingebrigtsen is more likely to win a global gold medal than Barega, if that’ll make you feel any calmer?

Jabba jabba wrote:

spade detector wrote:

It certainly isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.

1) All I know is that the world's best have tried their go at the indoor 1500 and could do no better than 3:31

2) the other 3:31 times slightly ahead of Jakob where with guys prepping, getting top pacing,cans having the goal of a world record

3) Jakob comes along after getting up off the couch for his first race of the year and nonchalantly runs near WR.

4) weren't you and the gang all giddy and blasting these boards with exuberant posts for weeks after Kejelche and Tefera ran 3:31s? Now 3:31 is nothing special? Hmmm.

I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea why.

5) Jakob is far better and you know it, but you just can't cope

The best in the world have tried and could do no better than 7:24.9i, imagine that.

Where did I say 3:31 is nothing special? Where did I blast the board with giddy exuberance over Kejelcha running 3:31? Where did I say that Wale is better than Jakob?

I merely pointed out the clear fact that 7:24 is a superior performance to 3:31, and made fun of you and others for being daft enough to argue otherwise.

Agree with analysis: if not the shoes, then PEDs.

My first thought: PED testing was non-existent.

The 3000m winner for men ran sub-3:40 the last 1500m and would done well against the 1500m field.

Then there is the 3:28 outdoor before this 3:31 indoor; the runners looked as though on EPO.

However, the shoes might be the difference. If so, it will be hard to figure out a quality performance, because something was really making a difference.

Very suspicious performance by the Ethiopian. And the pacing was quite interesting, too.

Jabba jabba wrote:

4) weren't you and the gang all giddy and blasting these boards with exuberant posts for weeks after Kejelche and Tefera ran 3:31s? Now 3:31 is nothing special? Hmmm.

I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea why.

^ This.

And it doesn't bother them one bit that Getbit Wale comes from a country with practically no testing (probably not been tested since last summer), and that despite this, his manager was having athletes test positive for EPO EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO and makes Jama Aden look bonafide.

These guys would likely have a cardiac arrest through sheer excitement if they saw an Ethiopian run 7:10 while literally knowing some dubious foreign agent had transplanted a rocket in the athlete's behind.