I just watched the regular season highlights. Please tell me why the KC - Tampa Bay Super Bowl won't be a KC blowout?

somebody explain to me why KC did not adjust and chip or double team the edge rushers, and run much more? Early on it became apparent they could not rely on their tackles in pass protection.

Flagpole wrote:

Moron#5 wrote:

There is no correction. You said the same thing I said.

NOT the same thing. You said Brady smartly walked into a good situation, which implies HE benefitted from a good situation that was in place there in Tampa. I submit that the GOOD in this situation was Brady, and that Tampa benefitted by getting him, not the other way around.

Well then you are incorrect. Brady did benefit from a very talented team he was on. Otherwise why did he not win a SB last year with the Patriots? Tommy picked a better situation and improved it. Please educate yourself.

Moron#5 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

NOT the same thing. You said Brady smartly walked into a good situation, which implies HE benefitted from a good situation that was in place there in Tampa. I submit that the GOOD in this situation was Brady, and that Tampa benefitted by getting him, not the other way around.

Well then you are incorrect. Brady did benefit from a very talented team he was on. Otherwise why did he not win a SB last year with the Patriots? Tommy picked a better situation and improved it. Please educate yourself.

Meh. You don't win every time. BRADY improved the situation in Tampa Bay. They don't win the Super Bowl without him.

People need to stop thinking Brady got lucky or fortunate or that he had the perfect system, etc. He's the best. All teams try to devise a scheme that is best for the players they have. The QB is the General of the offense and the face of the team. He's the best there ever was.

The Patriots had a winning season every year from 2001-2019, sandwiched between losing seasons in 2000 and 2020. What was different about 2000 and 2020? Brady didn't start a single game for them.

He leaves New England, and they suck. He goes to 7-9 Tampa Bay, and they win the Super Bowl.

Not good fortune. Not luck. Leadership. Talent. Serious skill as a quarterback. He's the best ever, BY FAR...and this coming from an Ohio State Buckeye fan.

There is no debating this point. Other than Randy Moss, Brady never had a super star receiver. He turned good receivers into great ones.

Can be debate about the second best -- Montana, Peyton Manning, Brees, Unitas? Good debates to be had about them and some others even.

No. 1 though? Nah. No debate. Tom Brady is the best quarterback in NFL history.

The refs...I love it!

After watching TB for almost 2 decades here in NE, it has become accepted that he is the MASTER of recognizing a defensive PI, hold, etc...in the making as a play develops. It is part of what makes him the GOAT. Not many other QBs have the ability to see this as it happens. He gets tons of calls for catching the defense with their hands in the cookie jar.

God I love the complaints about being TB's 12th man on the field.

As you were.

Patriots also went 11-5 in 2008 without Tommy. Patriots season this year was complicated in that they had 8 players opt out due to COVID-19 and they had serious salary cap limitations. Tommy does not win SB with Patriots this year. Tommy smartly picked a better situation, improved it with his attitude and player recruitment, and they won the SB although they could not even win their own division.

Yes, but he DID start a game for them (I knew you would bring this up).

Bottom line - Tom Brady is the best NFL quarterback ever. Not debatable. Period. Full stop.

Tom Brady is not currently the best QB in the NFL. Not even close. His body of work may put him at the top historically but in 2021 Tom Brady is not one of the top 5 QBs. Tommy almost gave the game away to Buffalo by throwing interceptions on 3 possessions in a row. Tommy in his prime would not do that.

You also appear to be desperate now in your argument. You desperately assert that Tommy started one game in the 11-5 2008 season. So what? Tommy was injured in the 1st quarter with a score of 0-0 at the time. Do better next time.

Moron#5 wrote:

Patriots also went 11-5 in 2008 without Tommy. Patriots season this year was complicated in that they had 8 players opt out due to COVID-19 and they had serious salary cap limitations. Tommy does not win SB with Patriots this year. Tommy smartly picked a better situation, improved it with his attitude and player recruitment, and they won the SB although they could not even win their own division.

They went 11-5 with largely the same team (ex Brady) that went 18-1 the prior year. They beat 11 bad teams and got beat badly in the 5 losses, including the Steelers who Brady regularly lit up.

ReallybroReally wrote:

Moron#5 wrote:

Patriots also went 11-5 in 2008 without Tommy. Patriots season this year was complicated in that they had 8 players opt out due to COVID-19 and they had serious salary cap limitations. Tommy does not win SB with Patriots this year. Tommy smartly picked a better situation, improved it with his attitude and player recruitment, and they won the SB although they could not even win their own division.

They went 11-5 with largely the same team (ex Brady) that went 18-1 the prior year. They beat 11 bad teams and got beat badly in the 5 losses, including the Steelers who Brady regularly lit up.

Yeah with Matt Cassell who was 36-45 as a starter and was clearly below average, as he was 26-40 outside of 2008. Try harder next time.

Moron#5 wrote:

Yeah with Matt Cassell who was 36-45 as a starter and was clearly below average, as he was 26-40 outside of 2008. Try harder next time.

Right, they lose 38-13 to Miami, 30-10 to SD and 33-10 to Pittsburgh.

Can I buy you a "I hate Tom Brady button"?

It was one game. The SB is another game where a different outcome could happen. I don't eat h football and have no idea when the game is but I think the Bucks will win.

Moron#5 wrote:

Tom Brady is not currently the best QB in the NFL. Not even close. His body of work may put him at the top historically but in 2021 Tom Brady is not one of the top 5 QBs. Tommy almost gave the game away to Buffalo by throwing interceptions on 3 possessions in a row. Tommy in his prime would not do that.

I don't think even the most diehard Brady fans would say he's currently the best QB in the NFL, but he had an excellent year (40 TDs, 4000+ yards) despite learning a new system with no real off-season. But, more importantly, he wins more than any QB in history. Every single member of the TB team is giving credit to Brady. Why are the haters struggling so much?!

I assume you meant Green Bay, not Buffalo? Two of those interceptions were basically shorter punts. In both cases he threw the ball up on the 3rd and long, hoping for a great catch or an interference call. Great QBs understand the situation and the risk/reward.

Name the last playoff team to score 30 or more points in 4 playoff games? Hint: there isn't one, yet none of the Brady haters want to give him any credit for their playoff run. And, yes, I'd be the first to recognize the impact the TB defense had throughout the playoffs, but you still have to score and he beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes in consecutive games.

Brady is the NFL GOAT and it's not even close.

I give Tommy the most credit for his recruiting skills. He recruited Gronk, Fournette and Antonio Brown. Those 3 scored 4 TD in the SB. The TB defense won the game but Tommy was a serviceable game manager. Let’s credit him for that. He was like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson as the beneficiary of great talent around him.

Moron#5 wrote:

I give Tommy the most credit for his recruiting skills. He recruited Gronk, Fournette and Antonio Brown. Those 3 scored 4 TD in the SB. The TB defense won the game but Tommy was a serviceable game manager. Let’s credit him for that. He was like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson as the beneficiary of great talent around him.

Let go of your hate for Brady. Comparing Brady to Dilfer or Johnson is simple ignorance and shows a lack of understanding of the game.

I'm actually a Broncos fan, but I can recognize reality when it slaps me in the face. Watching the game I thought the LRC Brady-haters would finally shut up, but I was wrong.

rocky mtns wrote:

Moron#5 wrote:

I give Tommy the most credit for his recruiting skills. He recruited Gronk, Fournette and Antonio Brown. Those 3 scored 4 TD in the SB. The TB defense won the game but Tommy was a serviceable game manager. Let’s credit him for that. He was like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson as the beneficiary of great talent around him.

Let go of your hate for Brady. Comparing Brady to Dilfer or Johnson is simple ignorance and shows a lack of understanding of the game.

I'm actually a Broncos fan, but I can recognize reality when it slaps me in the face. Watching the game I thought the LRC Brady-haters would finally shut up, but I was wrong.

At this stage of his career Tommy is fairly compared to Dilfer and Johnson. Tommy is a serviceable game manager. He was once much more than that.

Moron#5 wrote:

Tom Brady is not currently the best QB in the NFL. Not even close. His body of work may put him at the top historically but in 2021 Tom Brady is not one of the top 5 QBs. Tommy almost gave the game away to Buffalo by throwing interceptions on 3 possessions in a row. Tommy in his prime would not do that.

Dude, your trolling is getting sloppy. You have called TB "Tommy" in every single one of your replies to make it seem like you are infantilizing and belittling him (I note that no one has taken this bait); but here, clear as day, you start your "rebuttal" with Tom instead of Tommy.

#Bebetter.