There are 14 teams in Big 10, only 9 men's teams recorded a score at the Big10s. Should Iowa have had 2 guys walk the course?

You missed their 4th so they would only have needed 1 more. It was intentional on their part. They are focused on indoor track as they are ranked 9th nationally. Iowa is the reigning B10 champ in outdoor track and 2nd in indoor track. They left behind a 14:15 5k guy, a 4:08 miler, and an 8:20 3k guy in addition to 2 freshmen who qualified to NXN last year.

Former Iowa Great wrote:

You missed their 4th so they would only have needed 1 more. It was intentional on their part. They are focused on indoor track as they are ranked 9th nationally. Iowa is the reigning B10 champ in outdoor track and 2nd in indoor track. They left behind a 14:15 5k guy, a 4:08 miler, and an 8:20 3k guy in addition to 2 freshmen who qualified to NXN last year.

So they just forfeited for no reason? And the ADs are supposed to view us as a real sport, why?

former d1 coach wrote:

Former Iowa Great wrote:

You missed their 4th so they would only have needed 1 more. It was intentional on their part. They are focused on indoor track as they are ranked 9th nationally. Iowa is the reigning B10 champ in outdoor track and 2nd in indoor track. They left behind a 14:15 5k guy, a 4:08 miler, and an 8:20 3k guy in addition to 2 freshmen who qualified to NXN last year.

So they just forfeited for no reason? And the ADs are supposed to view us as a real sport, why?

Totally agree!

Northwestern doesn’t have cross country or track. Iowa is a track program and cross country is mediocre. The other schools are terrible and are only in the big ten to pad TV revenues. Only Michigan was missing of the teams that matter.

Goes to show that you that most college coaches are terrible at developing a team culture.

I don't think Maryland has had men's XC or track for a number of years. Title IX cuts. Look it up.

I guess if you consider track not to be a real sport. But most ADs and head Track/XC coaches at major universities, consider track to be the superior sport over XC. This was a strategic decision by Iowa to score every possible point at track. This is not a normal year. XC, indoor track, and outdoor track are 3 different sports even though most of the posters here don't recognize that because you were former distance runners. What do you think would have happened if we developed a vaccine overnight last spring after outdoor track had been cancelled so the NCAA put outdoor track in the fall of 2020 with football and XC? Now let's assume that a starting lineman at Alabama is normally a shot putter in the spring. Do you really think the football coach and AD are going to have that guy in the shot put in the fall during football season? If Iowa took a full team to the B10 XC meet, they would have been in a battle for 8th place out of the 10 teams who competed. Had Michigan competed, they would have been in a battle for 9th. Tune back in during the B10 track meets and the NCAA track meets.

Northwestern lost the men's program in the early 80s also to Title IX,

Who cares??

oldschoollrc wrote:

I don't think Maryland has had men's XC or track for a number of years. Title IX cuts. Look it up.

they cut men's xc and track when i was there. track was actually brought back almost immediately, but they may as well have left it dead.

basically if you can still run a 1:59 800m or a 9:10 3k from your high school days and happen to attend maryland you have an opportunity to put on a jersey and get last place at a D1 invitational

Taco John wrote:

Who cares??

This is the mindset that I'm getting at. If we don't view our sport as real, then why would the average person? I get that it's an abnormal time with two seasons going on at once but a 5-15 basketball team would still try as hard as they can to win their 21st game of the year.

I guess the question is if some of those guys played on a top ranked football team, would they skip the last game of the year to get ready for football? I guess the answer is yes so I'm somehwat ok with them doing what they did. But if this was a normal year, I would want them to have two guys run 45 minutes to fill out the scoring.

Competing a few more distance runners this weekend would have in no way kept any of those athletes from having a successful indoor season and competing at the B1G track championships.

Who is this "we" you talk about, Kimosabe? Are you a Big 10 coach, executive director, athletic director? Why exactly does a conference xc meet held in March, way outside the normal season and up against a track season, have any impact on the consciousness of the "average person"? They don't care who was on the podium, let alone who was 9th, 10th, 11th, and Iowa putting two track guys walking on the course doesn't move the needle, not even for people who love the sport! Does the "average person" even know when the national meet is? I'd bet less than half the visitors to your site even know! And plenty of 5-15 teams lay down (at least a portion of the roster) for that 21st game every season and nobody outside that locker room is concerned.

I'm honestly concerned for your psychological state. Get some hugs from a loved one and go out for a good tempo run.

Are you angry because your buddy is on the team and you aren't? I hate when people throw out information that is not true. Mid D guys on the team and High School PRs.

Jones 4:14

Mcguire 1:53

Myers 49/1:55

Rowe 48/1:52

Snelson 1:54

Mcgeehan 49/1:57

i haven't attended maryland for like, 7 years. i did completely make up those times 1:59 and 9:10, but this 4:14 in hs jones guy having this on his college profile is kind of... exactly in line with what i said.

800m (I) 2:03.55 2019 Navy Select

800m (O) 1:58.28 Kehoe Twilight Meet (5/3/19)

1000m (I) 2:41.95 2019 Navy Invitational II (1/26/19)

1500m (O) 3:53.51 Big Ten Outdoor Championships (5/11-13/18)

MILE (I) 4:22.01 SPIRE NCAA D1 Classic (2/9-10/18)

3000m (I) 9:06.87 2018 Wesley A. Brown Men's Invitational (1/27/18)

2000S (O) 6:15.74 Virginia v. Maryland, Pitt, West Virginia (4/6/19)

granted some of the guys you listed haven't had real chances to compete.

It's pretty simple. Iowa is a track school and wants to focus on track.

NCAA had a chance to just cancel XC and have a normal indoor and outdoor season. Instead they choose the awkward matching of indoors and XC, which is going to lead to watered down competition in both sports.

XC doesn't matter as much as track. It is that simple.

Just because some of the guys get slower after getting there dose not mean that you can get a spot on the team if you are not fast coming in. He ran 4:14 in HS. He could ave walked on at most programs with a 4:14. The team's times from high school don't look much worse than other teams.

Former Iowa Great wrote:

Just because some of the guys get slower after getting there dose not mean that you can get a spot on the team if you are not fast coming in. He ran 4:14 in HS. He could ave walked on at most programs with a 4:14. The team's times from high school don't look much worse than other teams.

if the standards are for real now, that's great. now let's see a team. i'm rooting for you.

You are an embarrassment wrote:

It's pretty simple. Iowa is a track school and wants to focus on track.

NCAA had a chance to just cancel XC and have a normal indoor and outdoor season. Instead they choose the awkward matching of indoors and XC, which is going to lead to watered down competition in both sports.

XC doesn't matter as much as track. It is that simple.

Iowa's got twelve names on their cross country roster. They couldn't have sent two more? I could see not sending anyone.