Is this Roy poster being sarcastic or are there people that think this way?
Is this Roy poster being sarcastic or are there people that think this way?
Precious Roy wrote:
To all the "death with COVID" idiots out there, thanks for the memories. Your dear leader is gone and resigned to the annals of history as a complete disgrace. Your Great Barrington clowns and other internet trolls are just pissing in the wind. The grown ups are back in charge.
Unfortunately, the harm the COVID idiots have caused is on the precipice of being irreversible. The virus is so wide spread in the US that it may be impossible to contain the UK variant due to all the idiots who insist on going to Red Robin instead of making the massive sacrifice of getting take out and eating at home. We are about 6-8 weeks out from the UK variant possibly taking over in the US and causing yet another massive spike in infection like the UK is currently experiencing. And there is also the risk of an escape variant like the Brazil or SA variant emerging in the US, which would mean back to square one.
The COVID idiots had their turn. Their record is a complete disgrace. 400k dead. Hundreds of thousands of long COVID suffers and millions of families having to suffer through having love one admitted to the hospital and wondering whether they will live or die. The COVID idiots are now completely irrelevant. No one in the Federal government is listening to you. Get your vaccination and get out of the way. You have done enough harm already.
~60% of all "covid" deaths have been in Democrat run states, despite the fact that the Republican led states tend to have larger fractions of more susceptible elderly populations. The deaths are on the overzealous fear mongerers not the people claiming the excessive and unproven 1-dimensional strategies to fight the virus don't make sense. We should have let normal people solve this problem as they would have been able to weigh in all of the consequences of any action; instead we let rich OCD driven leftists bully everyone to death, literally to death.
hardly wrote:
Is this Roy poster being sarcastic or are there people that think this way?
He really thinks that way. A 1-Dimensional thinker at best.
A lot of people have died from Covid . It’s a serious virus. But a whole lot more people had it and basically had flu like symptoms for a week (myself included).
The vaccine is a whole other ball game. It is important to understand that the urgency of ending Covid, ending economy-hampering restrictions, getting kids back in school...etc...DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A RUSHED MINIMALLY TESTED VACCINE.
The USA is backed into a corner right now. Blame whoever you want to blame for that, but make decisions objectively from here. Generally people and animals who are worn down, scared, and backed into a corner make *terrible* decisions. Once you get the shots, you can’t undo them. We’re talking about vaccinating swathes of young healthy people whose own immune systems would stand a 99.8% chance against Covid on their own. In one year we can find a whole slew of unpleasant permanent side effects from these vaccines . Maybe it will be the Moderna one. Maybe Pfizer. You just don’t know, do you? Trust the science you say. Do you know why some meds have black box warnings, like Prozac for kids under 18? Because they gave it to kids under 18 and they killed other people or themselves. The warning labels come after the fact. I wonder which ones will be on these vaccines in 12 months.
show pony wrote:
A lot of people have died from Covid . It’s a serious virus. But a whole lot more people had it and basically had flu like symptoms for a week (myself included).
The vaccine is a whole other ball game. It is important to understand that the urgency of ending Covid, ending economy-hampering restrictions, getting kids back in school...etc...DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A RUSHED MINIMALLY TESTED VACCINE.
The USA is backed into a corner right now. Blame whoever you want to blame for that, but make decisions objectively from here. Generally people and animals who are worn down, scared, and backed into a corner make *terrible* decisions. Once you get the shots, you can’t undo them. We’re talking about vaccinating swathes of young healthy people whose own immune systems would stand a 99.8% chance against Covid on their own. In one year we can find a whole slew of unpleasant permanent side effects from these vaccines . Maybe it will be the Moderna one. Maybe Pfizer. You just don’t know, do you? Trust the science you say. Do you know why some meds have black box warnings, like Prozac for kids under 18? Because they gave it to kids under 18 and they killed other people or themselves. The warning labels come after the fact. I wonder which ones will be on these vaccines in 12 months.
I mostly agree with this sentiment. I think we should be getting that vaccine out to as many susceptible people as possible and not push this on the younger populations. We will have vaccines soon that use more tested delivery strategies which we can be more certain will not harm our children. My parents got the vaccine today and that is a good thing for them. We need to make sure all of the elderly have access first. I have already heard too many stories of grandparents dying in the past month who could not get the vaccine. People are playing politics with it and people are dying. Young teachers and health care workers should not be in line before people 65+, or even 55+; it makes no sense and is not right.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
To all the "death with COVID" idiots out there, thanks for the memories. Your dear leader is gone and resigned to the annals of history as a complete disgrace. Your Great Barrington clowns and other internet trolls are just pissing in the wind. The grown ups are back in charge.
Unfortunately, the harm the COVID idiots have caused is on the precipice of being irreversible. The virus is so wide spread in the US that it may be impossible to contain the UK variant due to all the idiots who insist on going to Red Robin instead of making the massive sacrifice of getting take out and eating at home. We are about 6-8 weeks out from the UK variant possibly taking over in the US and causing yet another massive spike in infection like the UK is currently experiencing. And there is also the risk of an escape variant like the Brazil or SA variant emerging in the US, which would mean back to square one.
The COVID idiots had their turn. Their record is a complete disgrace. 400k dead. Hundreds of thousands of long COVID suffers and millions of families having to suffer through having love one admitted to the hospital and wondering whether they will live or die. The COVID idiots are now completely irrelevant. No one in the Federal government is listening to you. Get your vaccination and get out of the way. You have done enough harm already.
~60% of all "covid" deaths have been in Democrat run states, despite the fact that the Republican led states tend to have larger fractions of more susceptible elderly populations. The deaths are on the overzealous fear mongerers not the people claiming the excessive and unproven 1-dimensional strategies to fight the virus don't make sense. We should have let normal people solve this problem as they would have been able to weigh in all of the consequences of any action; instead we let rich OCD driven leftists bully everyone to death, literally to death.
How do you classify Pennsylvania, as a state with a Democratic governor and Republican legislature? Would it be Democrat-run or Republican-led?
CountChocula wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
~60% of all "covid" deaths have been in Democrat run states, despite the fact that the Republican led states tend to have larger fractions of more susceptible elderly populations. The deaths are on the overzealous fear mongerers not the people claiming the excessive and unproven 1-dimensional strategies to fight the virus don't make sense. We should have let normal people solve this problem as they would have been able to weigh in all of the consequences of any action; instead we let rich OCD driven leftists bully everyone to death, literally to death.
How do you classify Pennsylvania, as a state with a Democratic governor and Republican legislature? Would it be Democrat-run or Republican-led?
It is Democrat run in regards to the terrible pandemic response led by Governor Wolf and our now new US Secretary of Health. The state is now hitting 300-400 deaths per day and was terrible during the first wave as well.
My response was also directed at Precious who so preciously blames all of the death on Republicans and Trump rather than accepting the fact that places with more restrictions generally had worse outcomes.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
CountChocula wrote:
How do you classify Pennsylvania, as a state with a Democratic governor and Republican legislature? Would it be Democrat-run or Republican-led?
It is Democrat run in regards to the terrible pandemic response led by Governor Wolf and our now new US Secretary of Health. The state is now hitting 300-400 deaths per day and was terrible during the first wave as well.
Agreed, the situation in Pennsylvania is not great at the moment. How do you think the situation would be different if the Republican-controlled legislature had the final authority? If there are restrictions on the governor's authority, then I don't think it is fair to blame the governor's response. The same would be true if the legislature had final authority.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/15/913332497/pennsylvania-officials-stand-by-pandemic-response-after-judge-rules-against-ordeAlso, just a minor point of clarification, Dr. Levine is not the Secretary of Health. Dr. Levine is a nominee to be Assistant Secretary of Health.
monkeez wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
These "non viable fragments" that are contagious and cause respiratory disease.
Let me guess...
Hospitalization rates are being fabricated too? Excess deaths rate highly correlating with COVID-19 positivity rate by location regardless of "lockdown" status is just a weird statistical artifact?
Keep going! You seem to be onto something!
Pretty sure there is no doctor that will be insane enough to say the non viable fragments can cause disease. This is covid cultist crazy person expertise.
The hospitalization rates? You mean the hospitalization rates that are at or below seasonal flu rates? Ah those. You're saying they're fabricated?
This is like going back to level 1 after you beat the game. You guys have no new talking points. Here we are at 400k excess deaths, a vast, vast majority of them with a positive COVID test AND pneumonia/respiratory distress. And here you are saying it's from denial of care and or other causes?
So randomly 400k people more than normal have died of a respiratory illness but it's not COVID?
Not to mention that COVID deaths correlate spatially and temporally with both excess deaths and COVID tests (and minimally with mobility data i.e. lockdowns).
So, to be clear, you are saying there is something that kills people via a respiratory mechanism ONLY when COVID is present in their communities and causes massive excess death correlated with COVID tests, yet is not COVID? And you want us to accept this with no evidence.
Compelling!!
Com
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
My response was also directed at Precious who so preciously blames all of the death on Republicans and Trump rather than accepting the fact that places with more restrictions generally had worse outcomes.
Ah, fair enough. I would agree that no one political party or person gets the blame, but I also think it's difficult to correlate restrictions with outcomes given that there are so many factors that determine the outcomes.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
It is Democrat run in regards to the terrible pandemic response led by Governor Wolf and our now new US Secretary of Health. The state is now hitting 300-400 deaths per day and was terrible during the first wave as well.
I thought every area in suffered in the first wave was at herd immunity and we should just open everything up?
Oops!
Harambe wrote:
monkeez wrote:
Pretty sure there is no doctor that will be insane enough to say the non viable fragments can cause disease. This is covid cultist crazy person expertise.
The hospitalization rates? You mean the hospitalization rates that are at or below seasonal flu rates? Ah those. You're saying they're fabricated?
This is like going back to level 1 after you beat the game. You guys have no new talking points. Here we are at 400k excess deaths, a vast, vast majority of them with a positive COVID test AND pneumonia/respiratory distress. And here you are saying it's from denial of care and or other causes?
So randomly 400k people more than normal have died of a respiratory illness but it's not COVID?
Not to mention that COVID deaths correlate spatially and temporally with both excess deaths and COVID tests (and minimally with mobility data i.e. lockdowns).
So, to be clear, you are saying there is something that kills people via a respiratory mechanism ONLY when COVID is present in their communities and causes massive excess death correlated with COVID tests, yet is not COVID? And you want us to accept this with no evidence.
Compelling!!
Com
Can we get a citation for your"fact" that all of the deaths "with covid" died of respiratory symptoms? It is a fact that during the early months of this pandemic states like NY were declaring any death coupled to a positive test as a "covid death", even of cancer patient in hospice. Quit your lying and maybe show the numbers of "respiratory mechanism only". Yes, most people believe the respiratory deaths w/ covid are covid deaths; nobody is that stupid, but you are being disengenous and claiming that is every case and that all excess deaths are that case. What will you blame over the next few years when excess deaths due to cancer are very high because all of those people missed early prevention screenings due to you naive fear mongering? Is it still a covid death then or can we call it here on Letsrun a "Harambe related death".
Listen up COVID deniers: if your position is a) that the shutdown of much of society is a pain in the butt and you wish it would stop and b) that wearing masks is dumb and somehow infringes on your liberty, it might be time to wake up. That mindset is so contradictory. If you are upset about society being disrupted by COVID, why don't you wake up and encourage mask wearing and social distancing? Those are the easy methods to get rid of COVID and get society back to normal.
To complain about society being shutdown and also complain about wearing masks is exactly the thing that is keeping us from going back to normal.
So, as yourself, which do you dislike more? The social limitations of society being shutdown, or wearing a thin mask? If wearing a masks is really more disagreeable, then quit complaining about things being shutdown. If the shutdown is worse, then put on a mask and help us get back to normal.
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
It is Democrat run in regards to the terrible pandemic response led by Governor Wolf and our now new US Secretary of Health. The state is now hitting 300-400 deaths per day and was terrible during the first wave as well.
I thought every area in suffered in the first wave was at herd immunity and we should just open everything up?
Oops!
Did you says that? Making up what people say again? As usual, you are a lying fear mongerer.
Only Snowflakes Melt in Masks wrote:
Listen up COVID deniers: if your position is a) that the shutdown of much of society is a pain in the butt and you wish it would stop and b) that wearing masks is dumb and somehow infringes on your liberty, it might be time to wake up. That mindset is so contradictory. If you are upset about society being disrupted by COVID, why don't you wake up and encourage mask wearing and social distancing? Those are the easy methods to get rid of COVID and get society back to normal.
To complain about society being shutdown and also complain about wearing masks is exactly the thing that is keeping us from going back to normal.
So, as yourself, which do you dislike more? The social limitations of society being shutdown, or wearing a thin mask? If wearing a masks is really more disagreeable, then quit complaining about things being shutdown. If the shutdown is worse, then put on a mask and help us get back to normal.
If the shutdowns and restrictions were just a pain in the butt people would not care. This is the response of a rich elistist who can't fathom the fact that many normal people have lost their livelihoods and been forced into poverty by the virtuous rich people. Everybody is wearing mask, people complain, they don't really do much, but it is just annoying. Ruining people's lives with force and destroying a generation of children is not an inconvenience we should just suck it up and deal with. It needs to stop for more level-headed strategies.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Harambe wrote:
I thought every area in suffered in the first wave was at herd immunity and we should just open everything up?
Oops!
Did you says that? Making up what people say again? As usual, you are a lying fear mongerer.
Literally the advisor to the President (Atlas) and the dude in Sweden :) (i.e your hero).
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Can we get a citation for your"fact" that all of the deaths "with covid" died of respiratory symptoms? It is a fact that during the early months of this pandemic states like NY were declaring any death coupled to a positive test as a "covid death", even of cancer patient in hospice. Quit your lying and maybe show the numbers of "respiratory mechanism only". Yes, most people believe the respiratory deaths w/ covid are covid deaths; nobody is that stupid, but you are being disengenous and claiming that is every case and that all excess deaths are that case. What will you blame over the next few years when excess deaths due to cancer are very high because all of those people missed early prevention screenings due to you naive fear mongering? Is it still a covid death then or can we call it here on Letsrun a "Harambe related death".
Sure - COVID is listed as the underlying cause of death on 92+% of death certificates involving the disease. Unless you posit that doctors all over the country were misreporting COVID as the underling cause for a LOT of these deaths, then yeah, COVID was killing them.
Funnily, the CDC mentions exactly your scenario:
"For example, in some cases, COVID-19 may have contributed to the death, but the underlying cause of death was another cause, such as terminal cancer. For the majority of deaths where COVID-19 is reported on the death certificate (approximately 95%), COVID-19 is selected as the underlying cause of death."
Shockingly, doctors are trained to recognize this and report accordingly. COVID would still be on the death certificate, but not the underlying cause.
I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.
I never said ALL excess deaths were COVID (we can't prove that!) but a vast majority are. This trend has held for months.
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Can we get a citation for your"fact" that all of the deaths "with covid" died of respiratory symptoms? It is a fact that during the early months of this pandemic states like NY were declaring any death coupled to a positive test as a "covid death", even of cancer patient in hospice. Quit your lying and maybe show the numbers of "respiratory mechanism only". Yes, most people believe the respiratory deaths w/ covid are covid deaths; nobody is that stupid, but you are being disengenous and claiming that is every case and that all excess deaths are that case. What will you blame over the next few years when excess deaths due to cancer are very high because all of those people missed early prevention screenings due to you naive fear mongering? Is it still a covid death then or can we call it here on Letsrun a "Harambe related death".
Sure - COVID is listed as the underlying cause of death on 92+% of death certificates involving the disease. Unless you posit that doctors all over the country were misreporting COVID as the underling cause for a LOT of these deaths, then yeah, COVID was killing them.
Funnily, the CDC mentions exactly your scenario:
"For example, in some cases, COVID-19 may have contributed to the death, but the underlying cause of death was another cause, such as terminal cancer. For the majority of deaths where COVID-19 is reported on the death certificate (approximately 95%), COVID-19 is selected as the underlying cause of death."
Shockingly, doctors are trained to recognize this and report accordingly. COVID would still be on the death certificate, but not the underlying cause.
I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.
I never said ALL excess deaths were COVID (we can't prove that!) but a vast majority are. This trend has held for months.
Your numbers are meaningless without a source.
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Can we get a citation for your"fact" that all of the deaths "with covid" died of respiratory symptoms? It is a fact that during the early months of this pandemic states like NY were declaring any death coupled to a positive test as a "covid death", even of cancer patient in hospice. Quit your lying and maybe show the numbers of "respiratory mechanism only". Yes, most people believe the respiratory deaths w/ covid are covid deaths; nobody is that stupid, but you are being disengenous and claiming that is every case and that all excess deaths are that case. What will you blame over the next few years when excess deaths due to cancer are very high because all of those people missed early prevention screenings due to you naive fear mongering? Is it still a covid death then or can we call it here on Letsrun a "Harambe related death".
Sure - COVID is listed as the underlying cause of death on 92+% of death certificates involving the disease. Unless you posit that doctors all over the country were misreporting COVID as the underling cause for a LOT of these deaths, then yeah, COVID was killing them.
Funnily, the CDC mentions exactly your scenario:
"For example, in some cases, COVID-19 may have contributed to the death, but the underlying cause of death was another cause, such as terminal cancer. For the majority of deaths where COVID-19 is reported on the death certificate (approximately 95%), COVID-19 is selected as the underlying cause of death."
Shockingly, doctors are trained to recognize this and report accordingly. COVID would still be on the death certificate, but not the underlying cause.
I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.
I never said ALL excess deaths were COVID (we can't prove that!) but a vast majority are. This trend has held for months.
No hospital is going to declare any dead coupled to a covid positive as anything other than a covid death; there is too much of a liability risk in doing anything else. It does not require a conspiracy, just greedy lawyers swarming the hospitals in waiting. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is very possible the numbers are inflated. Nobody is arguing against covid deaths, just debating the actual number and possibility for misattribution causing unneeded panic and poor management policies that have destroyed lives and livelihoods for over a year now. You do not seem to be able to think outside of any boxes; Honestly, I think this problem is too complex for you to understand.