Over 1 out of every 800 Americans have died of COVID

No, that's false. When you count a death as "from covid" whether it actually is or not, you're just farting numbers.

That being said, imagine if the Black Death killed only 1 out of 800 Europeans. Would it even be in the history books now? Would they even have noticed it then?

Covid-19 pandemic is bad, but worst in the history of the world? Not by a long shot. The small pox pandemic brought to the Americas by European colonizers devastated empires. It's estimated the Incans lost up to 90 percent of their population to it including their Emperor and his heir presumptive, leading to their fall. Same thing with the Aztecs. Historians estimate 90 to 95 percent of the Americas were felled by small pox. That's probably the worst. Then you have things like the black plague which killed 40-60 percent of Europe.

Kills as many as WWII....

No big deal says Wiggy

Common Cents wrote:

Another grim milestone yet so many keep calling it a hoax and go about there lives like one of the worst pandemics in the history of the world is happening right in front of their eyes. How he’d is it to stay at home and wear a mask when you aren’t at home!!??

I don’t know who this post is aimed at. It’s been 10 months since this COVID thing started- you either take it super serious or you don’t. You posting on a message board trying to guilt people into staying home isn’t going to work.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Common Cents wrote:

Another grim milestone yet so many keep calling it a hoax and go about there lives like one of the worst pandemics in the history of the world is happening right in front of their eyes. How he’d is it to stay at home and wear a mask when you aren’t at home!!??

I don’t know who this post is aimed at. It’s been 10 months since this COVID thing started- you either take it super serious or you don’t. You posting on a message board trying to guilt people into staying home isn’t going to work.

Blast from the past:

My 89 year old great aunt died the other day with COVID plus congestive heart failure, a couple forms of cancer and diabetes. By your definition, that is a COVID death. By my thought, that is simply a person who lived a long life that finally died. Tales like that can be told for likely 80-90% of those deaths you attribute to COVID.

655,000 Americans die of heart disease every year. Most heart disease is preventable. Why don’t people prevent it?

This pandemic was a perfect opportunity for the media to drive home a serious health and fitness campaign. Instead, media outlets spent their time harping about masks and sensationalizing the handful of young, healthy people who died from Covid. Wear a mask, wash your hands, work from home. All good things. Do them. But what will *really* save the most lives in this country, both in Covid time and beyond? Healthy lifestyles.

Common Cents wrote:

Another grim milestone yet so many keep calling it a hoax and go about there lives like one of the worst pandemics in the history of the world is happening right in front of their eyes. How he’d is it to stay at home and wear a mask when you aren’t at home!!??

I will keep wearing my mask but I will also continue to do all of the things I did before the pandemic as I have been. Other than the mask, my life has not changed much at all other than stimulus money, less crowded on the plane, less traffic jambs, restaurants with plenty of room, and nobody in the movie theaters other than my family and I.

Yes, there is some stuff that is closed that I used to do but I have just replaced it with other activities.

My family and I keep our distance from people and wear masks and we have been lucky to have not contracted it. We get tested often and are surprised. We have traveled all over the country in our camper, and have flown to numerous destinations. Our friends think we are crazy but many have them have contracted the virus while we were away even though they are too scared to go anywhere but the store.

The difference between me and seemingly everyone else is that I understand that I am mortal. I am 50. 20-30 years left at best is not a lot of time. I am not going to waste what I have left waiting. Everyone is going to die sooner or later. What exactly am I protecting myself or anyone else for that matter? A premature death?

It's better to have lived than have waited around for death. If that is what you would like to do I will not stop you. You don't have to breath the same air as me because you will be hiding in your house. That's your right. I am not denying there is a pandemic, I am just choosing to live my life. That's my right.

That's easy to say because you are subconsciously assuming your risk of death is 0. It's close to it, sure. But you'd be singing a different tune if you were in the hospital don't kid yourself.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t know who this post is aimed at. It’s been 10 months since this COVID thing started- you either take it super serious or you don’t. You posting on a message board trying to guilt people into staying home isn’t going to work.

Or maybe it's a reminder for intelligent people to reassess the evidence and consider being open to changing their opinion.

range wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t know who this post is aimed at. It’s been 10 months since this COVID thing started- you either take it super serious or you don’t. You posting on a message board trying to guilt people into staying home isn’t going to work.

Or maybe it's a reminder for intelligent people to reassess the evidence and consider being open to changing their opinion.

Level with me here.

Do you honestly think that if media & government officials constantly bombarding people with COVID statistics ten months straight isn’t going to get them to stay at home a quick post on Letsrun is going to suddenly make them come over to your point of view?

It’s done man. Unless COVID evolves into some Black Death strain that kills half of those infected, the battle lines have been drawn in regard to COVID.

2600 bro wrote:

Kills as many as WWII....

No big deal says Wiggy

So does smoking. EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.

Why do we not have a dozen threads on the front page about this?

400k Americans have died "with" Covid.

90% plus of whom would have died by now had Covid never appeared.

We have been over how the Covid "linked" deaths number has been grossly inflated many times.

Stop regurgitating establishment lies

2600 bro wrote:

Kills as many as WWII....

No big deal says Wiggy

That’s because WWII wasn’t fought in the US. It killed over 60 million people globally.

COVID isn’t a hoax, but it’s not the Spanish flu either. If you’re healthy and under 65, your survival odds are fantastic.

It’s a bad disease, but we now have a vaccine and I think there’s a light at the end of the tunnel in the next 6 months.

joedirtty2 wrote:

My 89 year old great aunt died the other day with COVID plus congestive heart failure, a couple forms of cancer and diabetes. By your definition, that is a COVID death. By my thought, that is simply a person who lived a long life that finally died. Tales like that can be told for likely 80-90% of those deaths you attribute to COVID.

This. ^ Most of the people who died were in poor health or very old and would of died of any virus most likely. This is pretty well nothing for most of the population.

889 wrote:

joedirtty2 wrote:

My 89 year old great aunt died the other day with COVID plus congestive heart failure, a couple forms of cancer and diabetes. By your definition, that is a COVID death. By my thought, that is simply a person who lived a long life that finally died. Tales like that can be told for likely 80-90% of those deaths you attribute to COVID.

This. ^ Most of the people who died were in poor health or very old and would of died of any virus most likely. This is pretty well nothing for most of the population.

It's a very popular argument - they were going to die soon anyway. People aged 80 only have a life expectancy of 5-10 years or whatever. So if we could have prevented them dying of covid, their deaths would just be deferred several years.

But do you see a similar arguments about lockdowns? Admittedly some people may be committing suicide due to lockdowns, but most (all?) of these people were suicidal. Suicidal people tend to commit suicide, so they probably would have died within several years anyway?

889 wrote:

joedirtty2 wrote:

My 89 year old great aunt died the other day with COVID plus congestive heart failure, a couple forms of cancer and diabetes. By your definition, that is a COVID death. By my thought, that is simply a person who lived a long life that finally died. Tales like that can be told for likely 80-90% of those deaths you attribute to COVID.

This. ^ Most of the people who died were in poor health or very old and would of died of any virus most likely. This is pretty well nothing for most of the population.

+1

Where I live, if you suffer a heart attack and go to hospital you are automatically tested for covid. If you test positive you go to the "covid section" of the hospital even if you are asymptomatic.

You end up dying because of your heart attack but you died in the "covid area"? You count as a covid death.

The poster who said that we should have invested in measures to improve the general health of the population is right.

Man, I thought I was doing everything right mask wise.

We were ok and now I have covid doing everything people said.

This thing just makes so much fluid. No wonder people can't clear that volume.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

range wrote:

Or maybe it's a reminder for intelligent people to reassess the evidence and consider being open to changing their opinion.

Level with me here.

Do you honestly think that if media & government officials constantly bombarding people with COVID statistics ten months straight isn’t going to get them to stay at home a quick post on Letsrun is going to suddenly make them come over to your point of view?

It’s done man. Unless COVID evolves into some Black Death strain that kills half of those infected, the battle lines have been drawn in regard to COVID.

It's probably just a coincidence that, after 10 months of confusing the message, you advocate turning down the rhetoric on the same day that the federal government and leadership COVID messaging has changed.