Over 1 out of every 800 Americans have died of COVID

2600 bro wrote:

Why do people keep repeating the same stupid lies ever since May!

CDC allows reporting of a primary cause of death and then secondary causes (contributing, comorbidities).

COVID deaths are registered if it was either the primary or a contributing cause. As it stands, COVID was the primary cause of death listed for ~92% of the COVID deaths.

So you "with COVID" morons can write off ~8% at best.

monkeez wrote:

Sorry to hear this. Similar happened to a family friend as well. Only 72 but also had serious health issues for 3-4 years.

I believe if you test positive for covid and die within 28 days of test then it can be put down as a covid death regardless of any other condition and worsening of the condition(s).

The CDC allows for a lot. Even when absolutely unreasonable. Must be insane if you think there's 90+% from covid deaths.

Actually they encourage to get the maximum amount of covid deaths as possible. Instilling as much fear as possible is the goal here. With help of MSM. Makes people just eager to take that vaccine. You don't find it odd that a megalomaniacal technocrat (Gates) with long time interests in vaccinating and population reduction has stock in Pfizer and Moderna, as well as giving huge donations to Johns Hopkins?

I have stock in Pfizer and Moderna through index funds LMAO. Just non-sequiturs left and right from you. The vaccines will not make that much profit for either Pfizer or Moderna. Stop seeing ghosts. How can example correlation of excess deaths with Covid positivity rates by location regardless of lockdown status? Do you think all doctors are part of a massive conspiracy to over-count COVID deaths? honest questions.

1) Ah, so that your reasoning. So let's just ignore the elephant in the room. Got it.

2) uhhh, maybe there's quite a few variables? Maybe add some context.

3) Ahhh, the old everyone must be in on it, how can that be, renders your argument false rebuttal.. So, tell me how did VW get away with that scandal for so long? Was every employee in on it?

I see your game. Let's just not answer each other's questions. Not like any minds will be changed here :)

monkeez wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I have stock in Pfizer and Moderna through index funds LMAO. Just non-sequiturs left and right from you. The vaccines will not make that much profit for either Pfizer or Moderna. Stop seeing ghosts.

How can example correlation of excess deaths with Covid positivity rates by location regardless of lockdown status?

Do you think all doctors are part of a massive conspiracy to over-count COVID deaths?

honest questions.

1) Ah, so that your reasoning. So let's just ignore the elephant in the room. Got it.

2) uhhh, maybe there's quite a few variables? Maybe add some context.

3) Ahhh, the old everyone must be in on it, how can that be, renders your argument false rebuttal.. So, tell me how did VW get away with that scandal for so long? Was every employee in on it?

nothing to see here wrote:

What is a bigger number?

400,000 deaths x 10 years left =. 4,000,000 lost years of life.

Or

300,000,000 US citizens x 1 year = 300,000,000 lost years of life

Since y’all about science and numbers and whatever...

This doesn’t even factor into how enjoyable it is to be 20 years old and free, versus a 90 year old vegetable in a nursing home.

Ok, that is a reasonable argument. Personally, I don’t wish I could have been dead for the Covid year and resurrected(having lost a year of life) once it was done, but my quality of life for this year was seriously impacted. Others might view this year even more negatively.

I certainly have grave concerns about how this has affected the development of children and adolescents.

This, of course, makes me value the vaccine more, not less. On the other hand, I find the notion of indefinite restrictions hugely problematic.

Arguments against nothing’s viewpoint

1) Viewing a year of life at one age as more valuable than another is certainly controversial.

2) some people don’t see their lives as being greatly diminished this year.

3) some people hugely value living a year of their life, so that even a diminished year is vastly better than no year at all.

There is no way to do the math on that (ok you could do a survey, but actually understanding where you stand on that issue is incredibly hard, and of course, the politicization of the issue would hugely corrupt the data . As an example, I can pretty much guarantee it would look like democrats generally love life and republicans kind of hate it. I don’t think that is true.

So you value a vaccine that hasn't even gone through animal trials? No problem being a guinea pig with a genetically altered product provided by unaccountable multiple-criminally charged corporations?

I thought we were going to follow the Nuremberg Code? I thought we wouldn't let this happen to humanity again?

energeticlotuseater wrote:

It’s done man. Unless COVID evolves into some Black Death strain that kills half of those infected, the battle lines have been drawn in regard to COVID.

Points well made and taken. Although I'd say based on the mindless nonsense so many repeat and believe even if COVID mutated and started taking out 1 in every 2 Americans you would still have some that would say stuff like "I don't know anybody who has died, most of those deaths are exaggerated because of underlying issues, it's a hoax perpetrated by the liberal media, big tech, big phrama etc."

So yes, there is not much reasoning to be had at this point.

Amazing how 25,000 deaths not from Covid are so meaningless to you. Have some compassion.

It would be mathematically impossible for people not to know someone who died if it rises to 50%.

It is sort of amazing though at how many people are living in social circles where nobody is distancing or masking but none are infected. Yet some of the most careful seem to catch it.

trashcan wrote:

You won't get an answer wrote:

This has been going on for 10 months, so yeah it's pretty hard to stay at home for 10 months. As for the masks, I can't remember the last time I saw someone in a public indoor space without a mask. And I live right smack dab in the middle of red country.

People have this weird fantasy that we can control this thing by doing simple things. Unless you want a real, actual lockdown, your little 'just wear a mask and social distance' meme isn't stopping this virus.

Even if we can’t stop it, the more we slow it down, the more people will still be alive by the time the vaccination campaign can protect them, either directly or by herd immunity.

You're missing the point. OP is implying that staying home and masking when you can't needs to happen. But that is already happening. At this point, if people want to make a statement about what we need to do, start calling for draconian lockdowns. I, and many, won't agree with that approach at all but if stopping the spread is the #1 priority, that's the only way it's happening.

About 10% of young adults report that they don’t social distance when they have the opportunity. There are also people on this board who describe howl they don’t mask or social distance.

I think a lot of people who say they adhere to the recommendations don’t do a great job of it.

Social gatherings at home are a source of spread that you won’t see

Funny that the group who ignores masking and distancing seem to be the ones who don't know anyone who has had Covid. It is almost as if the measures don't work.

trashcan wrote:

About 10% of young adults report that they don’t social distance when they have the opportunity. There are also people on this board who describe howl they don’t mask or social distance.

I think a lot of people who say they adhere to the recommendations don’t do a great job of it.

Social gatherings at home are a source of spread that you won’t see

An example of this is California. They have been one of, if not the most, locked down and restricted state in America since early December. However, still California has seen the worst COVID numbers in the country repeatedly week after week outpacing states like Florida & Texas who have been much more open for the last two months than California.

I know the individuals sympathetic to lockdowns will point to countries like Australia as proof that they work. However, for every Australia there’s an Italy, New York, California or Spain to argue the point that lockdowns don’t work.

Gone but not forgotten wrote:

It would be mathematically impossible for people not to know someone who died if it rises to 50%.

It is sort of amazing though at how many people are living in social circles where nobody is distancing or masking but none are infected. Yet some of the most careful seem to catch it.

Social circles are not islands. Also, certain social situations will predispose people to infection even if they take precautions. For instance, people live in crowded apartments in urban situations Are inherently less socially distanced.

With that said, here’s some information about some fairly wealthy folks who took different approaches to Covid.

Common Cents wrote:

Another grim milestone yet so many keep calling it a hoax and go about there lives like one of the worst pandemics in the history of the world is happening right in front of their eyes. How he’d is it to stay at home and wear a mask when you aren’t at home!!??

We all have been doing this all year long and now 1 in 800 Americans have died. Maybe it is finally time to come up with a strategy that works rather than something with good political optics? People will be healthier and less people will die if we just get back to normal life and we go back to fighting outbreaks of seasonal viruses like we normally do; vaccines if we have them (and we do!), quarantine if you are sick (not perfect, but good enough), and wash your hands regularly everywhere you go. Common sense measures rather than measures that don't make sense and destroy everyone's lives.

To all the "death with COVID" idiots out there, thanks for the memories. Your dear leader is gone and resigned to the annals of history as a complete disgrace. Your Great Barrington clowns and other internet trolls are just pissing in the wind. The grown ups are back in charge.

Unfortunately, the harm the COVID idiots have caused is on the precipice of being irreversible. The virus is so wide spread in the US that it may be impossible to contain the UK variant due to all the idiots who insist on going to Red Robin instead of making the massive sacrifice of getting take out and eating at home. We are about 6-8 weeks out from the UK variant possibly taking over in the US and causing yet another massive spike in infection like the UK is currently experiencing. And there is also the risk of an escape variant like the Brazil or SA variant emerging in the US, which would mean back to square one.

The COVID idiots had their turn. Their record is a complete disgrace. 400k dead. Hundreds of thousands of long COVID suffers and millions of families having to suffer through having love one admitted to the hospital and wondering whether they will live or die. The COVID idiots are now completely irrelevant. No one in the Federal government is listening to you. Get your vaccination and get out of the way. You have done enough harm already.

welp wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

It’s done man. Unless COVID evolves into some Black Death strain that kills half of those infected, the battle lines have been drawn in regard to COVID.

Points well made and taken. Although I'd say based on the mindless nonsense so many repeat and believe even if COVID mutated and started taking out 1 in every 2 Americans you would still have some that would say stuff like "I don't know anybody who has died, most of those deaths are exaggerated because of underlying issues, it's a hoax perpetrated by the liberal media, big tech, big phrama etc."

So yes, there is not much reasoning to be had at this point.

You now you are saying we need to be vigilant and prepare for the possibility that covid will take out 1 in every 2 people? We can't stop the madness because some small group of people are worried about their own delusional thoughts? No. Most people are done playing this media driven magical ocd game. The virus is real, but it can be fought with normal basic measures and not draconian and unproven political measures.

Precious, you are a liar and fear-mongering idiot. More death has been caused by the fear and lies you perpetuate than anything else this year. Nothing you espouse with your false intelligence has done an ounce of good for humanity. Stop yourself. It is not about Trump, it is about people having their lives ruined by unproven restrictions, it is about people dying left and right because they are afraid to go to hospitals when they really need to be going, it is about people forced into poverty by rich elitists like yourself who can afford to stay home for a year, it is about people standing up to the power hungry narcissists who do not actually understand science but proclaim they do. The efforts of the left this year, your efforts, have been politically driven and over done something in a way that will likely prove to have led to more rather than less death. You are the idiot and every time you come on here calling people idiots for disagreeing with your false narrative people should return the favor and put you in your place.