Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
agip wrote:
Florida for pete's sake.
6% of the population
16% of deaths
19% of cases.
7 day averages.
The border for Pete's sake, just keep letting in infected illegal aliens. Shut it down.
Exactly what I was thinking. If only we'd complete that wall on the Florida-Mexico border!
This admin is an absolute clown show. 🤡🤡🤡 Glad to see some libs starting to turn on him. 👍👍
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-official-covid-migrants-released-day-in-day-out
https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/covid-cases-reportedly-surging-in-immigrant-detention-centers/Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
agip wrote:
Florida for pete's sake.
6% of the population
16% of deaths
19% of cases.
7 day averages.
The border for Pete's sake, just keep letting in infected illegal aliens. Shut it down.
Close the damn border.
agip wrote:
1/3rd of a 1/3rd of a 1/3rd wrote:
Less than 1/3rd of that 1/3rd. I do not know a single R who supports a coup. They would like Rs running things but they want it to be legit. My guess is that 1/3rd of that 1/3rd who vote R might support a coup, but of that reduced number there might be less than 1/3rd of 1/3rd of 1/3rd (1/9th -- less then 10%) would rabidly support violence to gain control.
But how many Rs even know it was a coup attempt? 10%? 20%?
The rest watch Fox and Facebook or nothing and think the Dems stole the election.
So many Rs know zero.
And they vote a lot.
47% of voters wanted another 4 (almost certainly even worse) years of him. Not sure where a third comes from. I guess I used that fraction a lot in the years leading up to the last election. His assumed “base,” I guess. But not after it.
It seems obvious to me that if you vote for members of a party that has not disavowed the anti-democratic talk and actions of its leader - AND actively supports it - you’re essentially FOR stealing elections. You can SAY you’re not - as I’m sure many “smarter” Rs do/would do - but that doesn’t make it true. Cast your vote that way, and you own that behavior. I’m a life-long conservative, and so far past giving those who support that party any benefit of the doubt, graciousness, and the like. Right now, votes for that party are votes to threaten the foundation of our country. A threat of the magnitude we haven’t seen since the Civil War.
nonequals2 wrote:
agip wrote:
But how many Rs even know it was a coup attempt? 10%? 20%?
The rest watch Fox and Facebook or nothing and think the Dems stole the election.
So many Rs know zero.
And they vote a lot.
47% of voters wanted another 4 (almost certainly even worse) years of him. Not sure where a third comes from.
Many eligible voters don't vote. And then there are people (adults) who are not allowed to vote. The 47% does not represent nearly 1/2 of the country.
Votes cast in 2020: 158,383,403
- Biden: 81,268,924
- Trump: 74,216,154
U.S. population: 331,449,281 (2020 census)
- Over age 18: 76% = 251,900,000
Take Trump's voters and divided by total population over the age of 18, and you get 29.5%. That is less than 1/3rd.
The bottomline is, Trump's 47% is actually less than 30%.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/covid-cases-reportedly-surging-in-immigrant-detention-centers/Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
The border for Pete's sake, just keep letting in infected illegal aliens. Shut it down.
Close the damn border.
STOP saying that you dumb Lib.
Trump already closed the border, get a clue.
47% = those who voted wrote:
nonequals2 wrote:
47% of voters wanted another 4 (almost certainly even worse) years of him. Not sure where a third comes from.
Many eligible voters don't vote. And then there are people (adults) who are not allowed to vote. The 47% does not represent nearly 1/2 of the country.
Votes cast in 2020: 158,383,403
- Biden: 81,268,924
- Trump: 74,216,154
U.S. population: 331,449,281 (2020 census)
- Over age 18: 76% = 251,900,000
Take Trump's voters and divided by total population over the age of 18, and you get 29.5%. That is less than 1/3rd.
The bottomline is, Trump's 47% is actually less than 30%.
It is not reasonable to conclude that, rather than 47% of the population being in support of Trump only 30% are. Just because someone did not take the time to register and vote does not mean that they are not a Trump supporter. Of those people who officially registered their preference 47% preferred Trump. The most reasonable projection, without any counter-evidence is that 47% of those who did not vote also support Trump, not that 0% of them do.
By the "Trump only has the support of 29.5%" argument, Biden only has the support of 32% of the population. Neither of these numbers is reasonable.
I am a Trump guy wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/covid-cases-reportedly-surging-in-immigrant-detention-centers/Close the damn border.
STOP saying that you dumb Lib.
Trump already closed the border, get a clue.
And Biden reopened the border, dummy.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
I am a Trump guy wrote:
STOP saying that you dumb Lib.
Trump already closed the border, get a clue.
And Biden reopened the border, dummy.
How can you open a wall?
Are you seriously this dumb 😂
I am a Trump guy wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
And Biden reopened the border, dummy.
How can you open a wall?
Are you seriously this dumb 😂
Biden reversed the border policy. No, you seriously need to get your head examined and don't reproduce.
47% = those who voted wrote:
nonequals2 wrote:
47% of voters wanted another 4 (almost certainly even worse) years of him. Not sure where a third comes from.
Many eligible voters don't vote. And then there are people (adults) who are not allowed to vote. The 47% does not represent nearly 1/2 of the country.
Votes cast in 2020: 158,383,403
- Biden: 81,268,924
- Trump: 74,216,154
U.S. population: 331,449,281 (2020 census)
- Over age 18: 76% = 251,900,000
Take Trump's voters and divided by total population over the age of 18, and you get 29.5%. That is less than 1/3rd.
The bottomline is, Trump's 47% is actually less than 30%.
What is your point? Of course 47% of voters, as I said, means 47% of voters, and not anything else.
And it’s a democracy. If 51% of a small fraction of the country vote for an autocrat…you get an autocrat. What the folks at home think isn’t any consolation.
And do we have any good reason to believe that those who stay home would be any less inclined to vote for Trump than the voting cohort?
In the end, no matter what numbers one wants to toss about, it remains disgustingly true that there are ENOUGH Americans of the wrong frame of mind to enable autocracy, loss of the rule of law, etc. A very sad state.
nonequals2 wrote:
What is your point? Of course 47% of voters, as I said, means 47% of voters, and not anything else.
I wonder, do those 47% think Trump was a good president or are they happy that he was a bad president?
Fat hurts wrote:
I wonder, do those 47% think Trump was a good president or are they happy that he was a bad president?
Not many think in quite those terms, I'd say. They thought he owned the libs--which would mean he was a *bad* boy, who was *good* at upsetting the people whom they hate.
It's all about tribe, remember--and The Other Tribe is evil incarnate, so anything that (apparently) works to its detriment is presumed to be a good thing.
nonequals2 wrote:
47% = those who voted wrote:
Take Trump's voters and divided by total population over the age of 18, and you get 29.5%. That is less than 1/3rd.
The bottomline is, Trump's 47% is actually less than 30%.
What is your point? Of course 47% of voters, as I said, means 47% of voters, and not anything else.
And it’s a democracy. If 51% of a small fraction of the country vote for an autocrat…you get an autocrat. What the folks at home think isn’t any consolation.
And do we have any good reason to believe that those who stay home would be any less inclined to vote for Trump than the voting cohort?
In the end, no matter what numbers one wants to toss about, it remains disgustingly true that there are ENOUGH Americans of the wrong frame of mind to enable autocracy, loss of the rule of law, etc. A very sad state.
would the 30+% of those who did not support an autocracy (regardless of which political party tried it) allow the less than 30% to instill it? You seem to imply that half of those non-voters would. If Trump and his minions want to take over the U.S. they will have to do better than the 30% of adults who voted for "him". Those who voted for Trump do not all walk in lockstep. The Trump "army" is not as large as some people think it is.
opinions wrote:
nonequals2 wrote:
What is your point? Of course 47% of voters, as I said, means 47% of voters, and not anything else.
And it’s a democracy. If 51% of a small fraction of the country vote for an autocrat…you get an autocrat. What the folks at home think isn’t any consolation.
And do we have any good reason to believe that those who stay home would be any less inclined to vote for Trump than the voting cohort?
In the end, no matter what numbers one wants to toss about, it remains disgustingly true that there are ENOUGH Americans of the wrong frame of mind to enable autocracy, loss of the rule of law, etc. A very sad state.
would the 30+% of those who did not support an autocracy (regardless of which political party tried it) allow the less than 30% to instill it? You seem to imply that half of those non-voters would. If Trump and his minions want to take over the U.S. they will have to do better than the 30% of adults who voted for "him". Those who voted for Trump do not all walk in lockstep. The Trump "army" is not as large as some people think it is.
just a note here for this discussion - many feel a revolution needs far less than a third of the population to take effect...in fact a right wing trumpist militia, the 3%ers, believe they only need a well-placed 3% of the population, armed and motivated, to eliminate the constitution and set up...something else.
That's how the trumpists feel...that they are far more motivated than the Constitionists. That's why the Trumpists always say 'there is no way biden won - his rallies were tiny compared to Trump's." they are measuring enthusiasm not just for voting...but for civil war. And they think they have the passion and the guns.
agip wrote:
opinions wrote:
would the 30+% of those who did not support an autocracy (regardless of which political party tried it) allow the less than 30% to instill it? You seem to imply that half of those non-voters would. If Trump and his minions want to take over the U.S. they will have to do better than the 30% of adults who voted for "him". Those who voted for Trump do not all walk in lockstep. The Trump "army" is not as large as some people think it is.
just a note here for this discussion - many feel a revolution needs far less than a third of the population to take effect...in fact a right wing trumpist militia, the 3%ers, believe they only need a well-placed 3% of the population, armed and motivated, to eliminate the constitution and set up...something else.
That's how the trumpists feel...that they are far more motivated than the Constitionists. That's why the Trumpists always say 'there is no way biden won - his rallies were tiny compared to Trump's." they are measuring enthusiasm not just for voting...but for civil war. And they think they have the passion and the guns.
3%? That will never work. How will that 3% take over and keep control of predominately large non-Trumper cities, while they also keeping the suburbs in control? In a "civil war" Trumpers are faced with a large group of people against them who do not have to travel far to fight back. . . . . Surround the Trumpers, let they shot their bullets, and go in with the baseball bats ... end of the Trumper civil war.
opinions wrote:
agip wrote:
just a note here for this discussion - many feel a revolution needs far less than a third of the population to take effect...in fact a right wing trumpist militia, the 3%ers, believe they only need a well-placed 3% of the population, armed and motivated, to eliminate the constitution and set up...something else.
That's how the trumpists feel...that they are far more motivated than the Constitionists. That's why the Trumpists always say 'there is no way biden won - his rallies were tiny compared to Trump's." they are measuring enthusiasm not just for voting...but for civil war. And they think they have the passion and the guns.
3%? That will never work. How will that 3% take over and keep control of predominately large non-Trumper cities, while they also keeping the suburbs in control? In a "civil war" Trumpers are faced with a large group of people against them who do not have to travel far to fight back. . . . . Surround the Trumpers, let they shot their bullets, and go in with the baseball bats ... end of the Trumper civil war.
couple things -
1/ I'm just explaining what the trumpers think...they are, all in all, stupid and ignorant so they are usually wrong.
2/ That said, if the 3% were to include influential people in DC and the armed forces...it probably would be enough. Guns are powerful political tools. Would you go fight the national guard if it went trumpist? Not sure I would, and I'm armed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percentersagip wrote:
opinions wrote:
3%? That will never work. How will that 3% take over and keep control of predominately large non-Trumper cities, while they also keeping the suburbs in control? In a "civil war" Trumpers are faced with a large group of people against them who do not have to travel far to fight back. . . . . Surround the Trumpers, let they shot their bullets, and go in with the baseball bats ... end of the Trumper civil war.
couple things -
1/ I'm just explaining what the trumpers think...they are, all in all, stupid and ignorant so they are usually wrong.
2/ That said, if the 3% were to include influential people in DC and the armed forces...it probably would be enough. Guns are powerful political tools. Would you go fight the national guard if it went trumpist? Not sure I would, and I'm armed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters
I think the 3% thing actually comes from the work of Erica Chenoweth at Harvard. Her research showed two things:
1. Non-violent movements succeeded more often than violent ones.
2. Every campaign that got active participation from at least 3.5 percent of the population eventually succeeded.
It's something that is often discussed in activist circles on both the left and the right.