Scotland (and England) go into full national lockdown again. Will US be next?

Budda wrote:

I am expecting Wales to follow suit soon even if without this new strain there wouldn't be neccecary in North Wales at least.

Wales had been in lockdown since Dec 20th, with schools given some weeks warning to plan to teach online in January.

When comparing population densities, south east England as a whole is on a par with New Jersey. There are approx 56 million people in area around 30% of the size of California.

Scotland is far less densely populated - but around 60% of the population lives in the central belt - Glasgow, Edinburgh and the 45 mile long strip between them. The islands (Hebrides, Shetland, Orkney etc.) are under less restrictive lockdown because it's relatively easy to stop people who don't need to be travelling from getting there by ferry.

Idk what is being done with the extra doses. At the hospital where I work, orginally , there was a prioritization where ER, ICU, respiratory, and anesthesia providers where first on the list . Surprisingly, many providers chose not to take the vaccine (Pfizer) at this point, so other departments were notified to come get it if desired. Even after this, many doses were left unused. I don't know what was done with them. I was told that the hospital had planned originally to make it mandatory, but felt like ,at this point, they couldn't get enough doses to cover everyone, so it is optional at this point.

dad guy wrote:

Early data suggests the new strain doesn't cause more severe disease, which is good, but if it is truly that much more transmissible we are in big trouble. .

Any evidence that the new variant is less deadly? There’s usually a negative correlation between infectivity and deadliness in viruses...

AFAIK nothing yet. See here (link to report therein):

Considering the long timeline of disease progression in COVID I think there is plenty of room for a more infectious virus (through spike protein binding/immune evasion) to spread while still being as deadly.

Not a doctor wrote:

The vaccine rollout is being botched, and botched badly. We should have 20 million people within a day or two of having significant immunity, but instead it's more like 4 million.

I will not get the vaccine.

There's no way the American people would abide by a national lockdown. It's not because they are jerks. It's because they don't believe the leaders at the CDC like Facui, who repeatedly and intentionally lied to Americans in order to manipulate their behavior. And they don't believe the news media/Democratic Party who weaponized the virus in order to achieve their political goals.

Once you squander your integrity and credibility, you lose the ability to lead people. And you only have yourself to blame.

Bound4Glory wrote:

There's no way the American people would abide by a national lockdown. It's not because they are jerks. It's because they don't believe the leaders at the CDC like Facui, who repeatedly and intentionally lied to Americans in order to manipulate their behavior. And they don't believe the news media/Democratic Party who weaponized the virus in order to achieve their political goals.

Once you squander your integrity and credibility, you lose the ability to lead people. And you only have yourself to blame.

No, you had it right the first time. It's because they are jerks.

Bound4Glory wrote:

There's no way the American people would abide by a national lockdown. It's not because they are jerks. It's because they don't believe the leaders at the CDC like Facui, who repeatedly and intentionally lied to Americans in order to manipulate their behavior. And they don't believe the news media/Democratic Party who weaponized the virus in order to achieve their political goals.

Once you squander your integrity and credibility, you lose the ability to lead people. And you only have yourself to blame.

It's true. The whole world conspired for months to take out Trump by making up this fake virus and killing over a million people.

That's it. It's all about your guy Trump

yes yes yes wrote:

No, you had it right the first time. It's because they are jerks.

Nope. They were blatantly lied to by Fauci. So they disbelieved Fauci from then on. This is perfectly logical behavior. Fauci is the jerk.

And as long as you continue to blame the wrong set of people for the world's problems, then those problems won't be solved. That means you too are to blame for the world's problems. And you too are to blame for the pandemic.

And it's not just Fauci. I've probably seen over a doze cases of some top Democratic official calling for or imposing some type of lockdown. And then pictures or video emerge of that same person blatantly ignoring those same restrictions in their personal life.

This mentality of "laws are only for the little people" might work in Europe, but not in America.

Letsrun still thinks that Covid is a hoax. In the meanwhile the LA's 911 ambulance service is collapsing.

https://abc7.com/los-angeles-hospitals-la-hospital-waiting-times-covid-19-coronavirus/9358924/

SCIENCE!!!! wrote:

Percent of US population who has contracted COVID 19 - 6.4% (20.9 million cases)

Percent of US population to actually die from COVID 19 - 0.001% (354K deaths)

Are you serious with this lockdown garbage????? Do the math yourself and ask if you're being completely irrational.

0.1% You're off by a factor of 100, to start. Sigh....

Rona Corona wrote:

Letsrun still thinks that Covid is a hoax. In the meanwhile the LA's 911 ambulance service is collapsing.

Wow, the 14th news story about the the LA system "collapsing" yet it never actually collapses.

Darren Stevens wrote:

Has nobody noticed that the states with the strictest lockdowns and mask rules have fared no better (worse actually) than those without according to the official numbers?

False. Among the top three states in cases, California (Dem. gov), for instance, has a death toll per million at 683, while Texas and Florida (Rep. govs.) are at 992 and 1029. Now, admittedly, five out of six of the top states in death toll per million are Democratic states in the Northeast. However, they all got large silent contagions at the very beginning, before any other states had significant measures, other than Washington. Pretty much every Democratic-run state with high totals got hit hard at the beginning before preparation was underway. Otherwise, if you compare states with Democratic governors to their regions and states with Republican governors to their regions, the trend is very clear.

Midwest:

Rep. States: ND 1744, SD 1710, IA 1265, IN 1287, NE 870, OK 650

vs.

Dem. States: MN 979, WI 839, MI 1341, IS 1465, KS 994, and MT 940

South:

Rep States: WV 805, TX 992, FL 1029, MO 993, AR 1259, MS 1672, TN 1050, AL 995, GA 1033, SC 1068

vs.

Dem. States: VA 608, NC 667, KY 615

NW:

Rep. States: WY 757, ID 816, UT 407

vs.

OR 357 and WA 474

CA 683 vs. TX 992 and FL 1029

Harambe wrote:

SCIENCE!!!! wrote:

Percent of US population who has contracted COVID 19 - 6.4% (20.9 million cases)

Percent of US population to actually die from COVID 19 - 0.001% (354K deaths)

Are you serious with this lockdown garbage????? Do the math yourself and ask if you're being completely irrational.

0.1% You're off by a factor of 100, to start. Sigh....

So much for SCIENCE!!!!

Bound4Glory wrote:

And it's not just Fauci. I've probably seen over a doze cases of some top Democratic official calling for or imposing some type of lockdown. And then pictures or video emerge of that same person blatantly ignoring those same restrictions in their personal life.

This mentality of "laws are only for the little people" might work in Europe, but not in America.

At least in Scotland, they are figuring out what to do with government officials who do not follow the law.

And while the hypocrisy is certainly worthy of anger, we are not such feeble minded beings that we cannot follow a law that is clearly beneficial to the public in fighting the pandemic just because someone in government blows it off. When a politician gets caught drunk driving, that doesn't mean that we should all go get blitzed and drag race in front of an elementary school at 3 pm.

yes yes yes wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

There's no way the American people would abide by a national lockdown. It's not because they are jerks. It's because they don't believe the leaders at the CDC like Facui, who repeatedly and intentionally lied to Americans in order to manipulate their behavior. And they don't believe the news media/Democratic Party who weaponized the virus in order to achieve their political goals.

Once you squander your integrity and credibility, you lose the ability to lead people. And you only have yourself to blame.

No, you had it right the first time. It's because they are jerks.

Two big issues-

1) The people creating these lockdown rules are often themselves not abiding by them.

Cuomo, Lightfoot, Newsom, DeBlasio, Pelosi, etc the list goes on. In some of these cases (Cuomo & Lightfoot) the politicians breaking their own lockdown rules don’t even try to appear apologetic- they will tell you I’m more important than and thus I can break the rules (Lightfoot almost literally said it when she got her hair done and Cuomo implied it strongly when he was traveling from state to state during the height of pandemic in New York). Closely packed BLM protests are encouraged while family gatherings discouraged.

This behavior & hypocrisy, magnified by the media, causes intense resentment.

2) Americans see the states being locked down and don’t really see it as working. New York, New Jersey & Massachusetts have had among the strongest lockdown rules in America- they also lead in COVID death per captia (literally 1,2,3). California locked down a few weeks back- their hospitals are now being overrun.

Math. Why can you not use it wrote:

Scotland’s population is about 5.5 million. The US has at least 13 metropolitan cities each with a higher population. The US has 25 states with a higher population than Scotland.

The highest population of any metropolitan city in Scotland is 634,000.

Scale is an important thing to understand.

Considering the restrictions in California and how they don’t seem to have control whatsoever I would suggest that scientists and politicians have no idea how to control this tiny little virus. Not saying that I know what to do, but I have a different essential job to perform. I was not trained in politics nor infectious disease control. ? ?

We know how to control it but people in the U.S. will never accept the personal restrictions and government intervention that would be required.

In CA the counties that are hardest hit have a large number of Hispanics and immigrants. In the latest wave 55% of infections are Hispanic compared with 39% of the state population. This is a population where there are a lot of multigenerational households and people living is close quarters, and where family and social gatherings are a part of the culture. It has nothing to do with density. SF is the most densely populated city after NYC but has one of the lowest infection rates in CA and among major cities.

I don't think masks and closing businesses and schools make much of a difference when people continue to gather in family and private settings. The only way to truly get it under control quickly is a complete lockdown. That means no one leaving their house except for medical care and essential services, such as food distribution.

It means people don't go and crowd into grocery stores or exercise outside. It means no one can leave their house without permission. Amazon, FedEx, and UPS could team up to deliver a box of food to every home every 3 days or so. Within about 3 weeks the infection rates would drop very significantly. Once the infection rate is low enough then testing and contact tracing become more effective, as we have seen in some Asian countries.

Of course, this kind of lockdown will never happen so we will stumble along with each state establishing policies that people don't comply with and the virus will finally run its course after another 300K+ deaths or so and thousands of more small businesses closed.

Rona Corona wrote:

Letsrun still thinks that Covid is a hoax. In the meanwhile the LA's 911 ambulance service is collapsing.

https://abc7.com/los-angeles-hospitals-la-hospital-waiting-times-covid-19-coronavirus/9358924/

The 1971 and 1994 earthquakes were much worse for Los Angeles compared to any virus related problems today - and let's not forget the 1992 LA riots.