COVID cases jumped in September. Now COVID deaths are climbing in October. Who could have predicted that???

And yet repeating this doesn't make it any more accurate.

The FACT is that in 2021 there've been ~300k more deaths than expected, based on previous years. The FACT is that, if "those people were gonna die anyway," we would see a drop in deaths--*fewer* than expected--toward the end of this year, and into the next. Yet there is no indication of any such thing.

A nation gripped in fear wrote:

I think this "2600" & "Harambe" poster (one of the same?) are twentysomethings basement bloggers who's objective is to troll posters who have a different analysis of the pandemic other than the narrative given by the MSM. They sure as heck don't want to engage in any meaningful debate and constantly demean & antagonize posters they don't agree with.

What does it say about this message board that it would even be considered possible to "troll" by promoting the mainstream narrative?

Other guy wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Adding a few things

1) Many of the 'comorbidities' like ARDS, resp. failure, cardiac arrest, etc, are caused by COVID itself.

So comorbidities that existed in the person before Covid ever appeared are now caused by Covid? What an amazing virus.

Talking about multiple causes on a death certificate. Timing of appearance of these conditions isn’t often noted.

Also note you didn’t actually counter anything I said. Just raised some doubt with one point of mine. I expect a little more rigor but am usually disappointed :-/

Do try and keep up ( and learn how to quote)

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Harambe wrote:

Other guy wrote:

So comorbidities that existed in the person before Covid ever appeared are now caused by Covid? What an amazing virus.

Talking about multiple causes on a death certificate. Timing of appearance of these conditions isn’t often noted.

Also note you didn’t actually counter anything I said. Just raised some doubt with one point of mine. I expect a little more rigor but am usually disappointed :-/

Do try and keep up ( and learn how to quote)

Let's examine. You stated that "Many of the 'comorbidities' like ARDS, resp. failure, cardiac arrest, etc, are caused by COVID itself."

As if these comorbidities did not exist prior to covid in the 94% of the people who died "with Covid".

Below is a list of the comorbidities.

Which ones were caused by Covid?

Sepsis? Diabetes? Alzheimer disease? Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events?

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Respiratory failure

Respiratory arrest

Other diseases of the respiratory system J

Circulatory diseases - - - - - - - - -

Hypertensive diseases

Ischemic heart disease

Cardiac arrest

Cardiac arrhythmia

Heart failure I50

Cerebrovascular diseases

Other diseases of the circulatory system

Sepsis

Malignant neoplasms

Diabetes

Obesity

Alzheimer disease

Vascular and unspecified dementia

Renal failure

Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events

styi wrote:

And yet repeating this doesn't make it any more accurate.

The FACT is that in 2021 there've been ~300k more deaths than expected, based on previous years. The FACT is that, if "those people were gonna die anyway," we would see a drop in deaths--*fewer* than expected--toward the end of this year, and into the next. Yet there is no indication of any such thing.

Let's consider this.

Given the median age at death of 80 plus years, the fact that 94% of the people who died had at least one other life threatening condition, that nearly half of the deaths took place in nursing homes where you have a 50% chance of still being alive five months after you enter, it is undeniable that many of the 220k Americans said to have died with Covid would have died by now anyway. Many.

But let's pretend all 220k died solely due to Covid.

Yet excess deaths are up more than 300k. Which means at least close to 1/3rd of those excess deaths are due to factors other than Covid.

What has caused these 100k plus non covid related excess deaths?

The following are 7-day death totals up to indicated date. In addition, percentage increases from Oct 17 7-day total are shown.

Oct 17: 4927

Oct 18: 5077; 3%

Oct 19: 5195; 5%

Oct 20: 5303; 8%

Oct 21: 5558; 13%

Oct 22: 5658; 15%

Oct 23: 5634; 14%

Oct 24: 5767; 17%

Oct 25: 5732; 16%

Oct 26: 5809; 18%

Oct 27: 5912; 20%

Oct 28: 5718; 16%

Oct 29: 5786; 17%

Oct 30: 5871; 19%

Oct 31: 5998; 22%

Oddly Un-flat. What a Surprise!

What a Surprise! wrote:

The following are 7-day death totals up to indicated date. In addition, percentage increases from Oct 17 7-day total are shown.

Oct 17: 4927

Oct 18: 5077; 3%

Oct 19: 5195; 5%

Oct 20: 5303; 8%

Oct 21: 5558; 13%

Oct 22: 5658; 15%

Oct 23: 5634; 14%

Oct 24: 5767; 17%

Oct 25: 5732; 16%

Oct 26: 5809; 18%

Oct 27: 5912; 20%

Oct 28: 5718; 16%

Oct 29: 5786; 17%

Oct 30: 5871; 19%

Oct 31: 5998; 22%

Oddly Un-flat. What a Surprise!

How about you look at a more broad picture instead of cherry picking a small range that fits your narrative?

Oooh, look, you used the word "narrative"! Congrats! That immediately lets the reader in on how you are 100% pop culture. Good job!

But, answering your question anyway, (because I'm feeling particularly generous), this thread was started in response to another thread titled something like "COVID cases are up. Deaths are flat. Some lame 'it's a hoax' statement!". So, here it is being demonstrated repeatedly that deaths are definitely not flat. Indeed, it is being demonstrated that deaths are following cases like clockwork. Totally predictable. And totally the opposite of the flat earthers "narrative". ;-)

1) Non-COVID coded excess deaths could simply be COVID deaths that were missed. People who die at home and didn't get a test, etc. You can't just discount that.

2)The 94% just referrs to most COVID death certificates having multiple cause on them. There is a process for filling out a death cert. Something like 90% of death certificates have multiple causes of death on them -- COVID or not.

Also -- on 95% of certificates with COVID, COVID is listed as the underlying cause.

You just don't understand how death certs. work, or are trying to mislead people with bad math.

Stay mad

What a Surprise! wrote:

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

How about you look at a more broad picture instead of cherry picking a small range that fits your narrative?

Oooh, look, you used the word "narrative"! Congrats! That immediately lets the reader in on how you are 100% pop culture. Good job!

But, answering your question anyway, (because I'm feeling particularly generous), this thread was started in response to another thread titled something like "COVID cases are up. Deaths are flat. Some lame 'it's a hoax' statement!". So, here it is being demonstrated repeatedly that deaths are definitely not flat. Indeed, it is being demonstrated that deaths are following cases like clockwork. Totally predictable. And totally the opposite of the flat earthers "narrative". ;-)

Oh yeah, here's the "more broad picture" you asked for: 236,160 US deaths as of 11:36 am Eastern Time this morning.

Other guy wrote:

What has caused these 100k plus non covid related excess deaths?

I have multiple docs in the family, including some "front liners," and they all say COVID deaths have been undercounted.

Good discussion here:

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

How about you look at a more broad picture instead of cherry picking a small range that fits your narrative?

This is nonsensical. What could be broader than the including all Covid deaths in 7 days? 14-day running totals aren't going to look any better.

styi wrote:

Other guy wrote:

What has caused these 100k plus non covid related excess deaths?

I have multiple docs in the family, including some "front liners," and they all say COVID deaths have been undercounted.

Good discussion here:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-percentage-of-excess-deaths-in-the-u-s-not-directly-caused-by-covid-19-range-from-14-to-33-it-remains-unclear-how-lockdowns-influenced-excess-mortality/

So you are saying the CDC numbers cannot be trusted.

Yet want to rely on them to make your case?

[quote]Harambe wrote:

[Something like 90% of death certificates have multiple causes of death on them -- COVID or not.

Source?

The only thing I could find out it at 2/3rds..far less than the 94% with Covid.

And since 94% of Covid deaths cite multiple causes, then to count them all as Covid deaths is a great overstatement.

By doing so, you are ignoring all the other causes.

Or, if you count the other causes, you then count one death as two deaths or more.

The broad picture is: This is all a conspiracy and so please do a better job carefully selecting data to make one of LFH's 6 accounts happy. Shame on you for not knowing better.

real info wrote:

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

How about you look at a more broad picture instead of cherry picking a small range that fits your narrative?

This is nonsensical. What could be broader than the including all Covid deaths in 7 days? 14-day running totals aren't going to look any better.

Just in case folks were still claiming that COVID death rates are comparable to deaths from the flu, here is something you should try to understand:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/flu-deaths-were-counted-covid-053449918.html

"In the last six flu seasons, the CDC's reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths — that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus — has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620"

Compare to 236,469 COVID deaths in 2020 (and counting).