Studies find no increase in suicide rates during lockdowns

Indicative of the level of study used by the lockdown zealots to rationalize their murderous policies.

First off you need to look at trends- if you did you would see that Japan and Canada (as well as most of the "developed" world) has been seeing downwards trends in suicide for the last 20 years.

Next you should actually take a look at the US suicide numbers over the last 20 years. What you will see is that the last year for comprehensive results is 2018. We won't even know the finalized numbers for 2019 until next year let alone figures for 2020.

Taking a look from Mass. (or BC for that matter) is ridiculous. Mass. is one of the wealthier states in the US and one of the leading indicator of suicide rates is economic destitution. As well the study is looking at the first 3 months of the lockdown? How incompetent does one have to be to even have thought to have done such a study during that time.

Another of the leading indicators is a sense of isolation. What do you think is happening right now?

This study is worse than garbage it's dangerous misinformation.

What we do know is that suicide ideation has increased over the last several months. We will not know the exact statistics for 2020 until 2022. As we are experiencing economic devastation and staggering increases in isolation you have to be out to lunch to expect anything other than more self-destructive behavior.

Look, you have an agenda to deny all of this- you are likely a sociopath who has no concern for your fellow man/woman especially those in need.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/suicidal-ideation-is-increasing-during-covid-19-how-best-to-cope#Why-some-groups-are-more-affected

Quasi-Boom wrote:

Load of Bollocks wrote:

The study is a complete load of bollocks. We don't need any numbers or statistics - I personally know of 2 people who've lost their life to suicide as a result of lockdown. That's 2 more than I've known lose their life to covid.

No offense, but they must have been pretty whacked out already to commit suicide because of a few weeks of lockdown. From a societal viewpoint, I think we are better off without people who can't handle what is going on. I mean, it's just not that traumatic to a normal person.

I think we are better off as a society without obese people and people with bad immunize systems.......

A couple things here:

1) They looked at a very short period during the early pandemic (March to May). I think a lot of people naively thought it'd be over soon and remained fairly optimistic during this period. Individuals could weather this period, people were receiving unemployment and stimulus checks, and there wasn't closing of businesses en masse. If i had to rate my level of suicidality in April vs. now, its definitely higher now with months of pandemic fatigue and worry about the future.

2) If you read the brief methodology in the abstract actual numbers, where they say there were fewer suicides during lockdown, there were a number of deaths still "pending investigation." They did not include these deaths in the numbers presented in the abstract. However, if you read the full text, they do a second calculation where they attribute these deaths still under investigation to suicide and there was no significant difference in number of suicides in March through May 2020.

"The conservative assumption that all pending investigations for March-May were suicides yielded an incident rate of 0.94 deaths (95% CI 0.81-1.08) per 100,000 person-month for 2020 and 0.97 deaths (95% CI 0.84-1.11) for 2019) per 100,000 person-month (incident rate ratio 0.97; 95% CI 0.80-1.18)."

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Quasi-Boom wrote:

Load of Bollocks wrote:

The study is a complete load of bollocks. We don't need any numbers or statistics - I personally know of 2 people who've lost their life to suicide as a result of lockdown. That's 2 more than I've known lose their life to covid.

No offense, but they must have been pretty whacked out already to commit suicide because of a few weeks of lockdown. From a societal viewpoint, I think we are better off without people who can't handle what is going on. I mean, it's just not that traumatic to a normal person.

And the nursing home patients who can't handle a version of the common cold? Good job bro

This is sick. You want suicides to occur so you can use them in your arguments. You get a piece of good news and you try your hardest to disprove it because you just want to see people take their own lives.

^^lets see how the COVID morons like it when the script is flipped lol

Thank you for pointing out how Allen wants people to commit suicide. Clearly, people would have missed this if you hadn't pointed it out! Now, back to just how horrible the virus is.

So..... this is some good news.

I’ll take it.

pointing the gun the wrong way wrote:

trollism wrote:

It's not a surprise that suicides haven't gone up.

People tend to take their own life when they blame themselves for their perceived 'failures'.

When there's something else to blame, people are less likely to go down that route.

Now it seems they are just taking their God given guns and shooting at people as much as possible. YouTuber I watch just randomly had his rv shot at 4 times as he was getting off a highway exit. One of the repliers said near him, they already had 80 random highway shootings.

Yes. The rioting, looting, and violence is way out of control. Sick.

I hope this is good news but obviously there will be mental health effects. I'm more concerned about children.

I know all countries are different but here you can still go outside, see your friends (in most areas).

Yes you cannot do the exact same thing as before (e.g. go clubbing until 2am) but there are still a lot of options open. I think people need to focus on what they can do: go to a bar, restaurant, go outside, go for a walk, go to the park, some sports, etc rather than obsessing on what they can't. For me a lockdown is not being able to go outside (some countries like Spain). If you live in a shared house with no garden that would be torture. Here a lot of the studio flats in blocks, you cannot open the window more than 1 inch, it is awful. You would look out on a city and see it but not be able to go. It also isn't founded on decent science. Going outside should be encouraged. It is stupid if people were allowed to go to supermarkets on an unlimited basis but not outside to a field (which was the policy in some places).

Precious Roy wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Millions out of work, millions of businesses gone, increased poverty, social isolation, increased drug and alcohol abuse....and the bosses tell us suicides are not up.

And you guys buy it.

Wow.

No. The bosses say "get back to work and don't come whining to me when you get sick and end up in the hospital." And the politicians they bought refuse to protect the public from the virus and won't even give people financial help to get through this.

Isn’t that precious. The people need to rely on politicians to give them money. This is the Democrat’s philosophy in a nutshell. And they think this money the politicians are supposed to hand out comes from “the government”.

the media is corrupt wrote:

The people need to rely on politicians to give them money. This is the Democrat’s philosophy in a nutshell.

Remind me again... Wasn’t it the republican-controlled federal government that pumped out a garbage stimulus package?

Failed to contain the virus, failed to protect their constituents, failed to support their constituents... but, hey, at least big corps got their payday - the republican way!

macdaddy og wrote:

the media is corrupt wrote:

The people need to rely on politicians to give them money. This is the Democrat’s philosophy in a nutshell.

Remind me again... Wasn’t it the republican-controlled federal government that pumped out a garbage stimulus package?

Failed to contain the virus, failed to protect their constituents, failed to support their constituents... but, hey, at least big corps got their payday - the republican way!

Trump doesn't control his own administration much less the entire federal government. Nothing unites RepubliCrat parasites like printing more money.

I talked to police officers in the city I live in, and they said they were seeing much higher rates of suicide than usual. They came to my house and forced me to go in for a mental health evaluation just because of a fb post I made saying I felt there was nothing to live for. A pretty weak 302 justification, but they were tired of seeing the deaths and they felt they were helping me.

Das Unkle wrote:

Just not credible.

Kind of like when studies tell us Sweden, which did not lock down, is doing worse than its neighbors that did.

You need to apply a bit of common sense.

Unkle, you are falsified and not for the first time. You can only write this if you ignore facts. Norway 51 deaths per million, Sweden 586. Unemployment worse in Sweden. The economy in Norway not hit harder than in Sweden. Come on. This is simple facts. Sweden is still doing worse than Norway. Infections are rising much faster. Your answer should be: "It can't be, therefore it is'nt". You are not living in Scandinavia, are you? Most probably on another planet. BTW fewer suicides in Norway than it normally is.

Precious Roy wrote:

YMMV wrote:

A "preprint" article (NOT peer-reviewed, so more an anecdote than a study) of only the initial three months of the crisis by a group of "Doctors against Trump". They even have the post-modern backwards speculation/rationalization (with NO evidence) that the longer and more severe the lockdown is, the LESS suicides...just god-awful conjecture revealing their political bias.

The usual garbage knee-jerk psuedoscience from the corporate medical establishment. "2+2=5"

Ok. Please present your peer reviewed articles showing that suicide rates went up during lockdowns.

Show one peer reviewed article that shows data indicating the suicide rates have not changed.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Ok. Please present your peer reviewed articles showing that suicide rates went up during lockdowns.

Show one peer reviewed article that shows data indicating the suicide rates have not changed.

Lol. You're fuming that there's now a study poking holes in the "lockdown death" conjecturing all you guys have been doing.

Where's the preprint with an analysis showing an increase in suicides? Right, you don't have one. Back to anecdotal evidence and "it has to be true, so it is" arguments wrapped in a paragraph of text with no punctuation.

Wait:

(1) Not peer reviewed?

(2) Liberally source?

(3) Little actual data?

I thought Harambe was big on questioning the source? I know he cares nothing about actual data, but why should we trust a non-reviewed study from a politically biased organization 2 weeks prior to the election? Please show a real peer reviewed study and maybe someone would believe you.