Kilian Jornet is a fraud

outdoorabuzer wrote:

Is he sketch or what?

Nope.

Well, Remi just did the Fully VK so we have his watch data to compare with Kilian's and here is Remi video... I am sure Salomon did a video of Kilian since his attempt was the day before Sierre-Zinal... by the way, that is what makes Kilian a freak: he does a massive VK effort THE DAY BEFORE the biggest race of the season and wins S-Z going away. Unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrR5AP32OZ8

And based on Strava, Remi is only :02 behind Kilian and Remi was credited with a 30:08 so nowhere near a possible record for Kilian, unless there is more to the course.

https://www.strava.com/activities/4072120072/segments/2741610730749995468

Did you read the article? Have you not seen these practices? Making outlandish claims then never proving with actual data? I mean guy claimed he ran sub 30 vk then less than hour later a sub 30 10k on road yet we see here he couldn't even break 30mins fresh on the fastest vk course in the world.

The man wins races. What else do you need to know?

It’s not like the other competitors aren’t trying. If he has a slow day but still wins you can bet there were people behind him who weren’t having slow days.

On any given day he can toe the line on a mountain race and make most of the top guys in the sport look silly. We may never know for certain the full scope of the training programs he has been through in his lifetime, but his success is exceptional and his longevity is the sport is the stuff of legend.

Why has he never run the World Mountain Running Championships? This has always struck me as strange. If you want to be the GOAT, prove it.

Around the world Kilian is considered the best of all times in ultrarunning, he has won every important race around the world, what else do you want?

Standard Setter wrote:

And based on Strava, Remi is only :02 behind Kilian and Remi was credited with a 30:08 so nowhere near a possible record for Kilian, unless there is more to the course.

https://www.strava.com/activities/4072120072/segments/2741610730749995468

It estimates 111 Calories!

World Mountain Championship wrote:

Why has he never run the World Mountain Running Championships? This has always struck me as strange. If you want to be the GOAT, prove it.

For the same reason he doesn't compete in the baseball "world series"

He has a history of obscuring the truth and taking shortcuts, and that raises the specter that he could be cheating in other ways.

coachmandy wrote:

Around the world Kilian is considered the best of all times in ultrarunning, he has won every important race around the world, what else do you want?

I want a good reputation. What percent of people think he's on EPO?

I was stunned when I was doing a little research into the ultra world last year when someone told me they thought he was on drugs. I have no idea if he is or not but was for some unknown reason stunned to learn there might be dopoing in the utlra world. I don't know why that stunned me as their is cheating in all walks of life.

rojo wrote:

their is cheating in all walks of life.

*there

The only people surprised also think the top track guys in the world are clean. Then there are the people that think athletes only dope because of the money. There is no money in the sport, why would they dope? Same reason masters runners dope. Status and ego. Pretty much the reason for most things in life.

Why would it be surprising that someone with an extremely off the charts vo2 was a long time user of epo in a sport that has little testing?

Maybe he is clean. Maybe Kipchoge is clean. If you have been following along you would be skeptical.

rojo wrote:

coachmandy wrote:

Around the world Kilian is considered the best of all times in ultrarunning, he has won every important race around the world, what else do you want?

I wnat a good reputation. What percent of people think he's on EPO?

I was stunned when I was doing a little research into the ultra world last year when someone told me they thought he was on drugs. I have no idea if he is or not but was for some unknown reason stunned to learn there might be dopoing in the utlra world. I don't know why that stunned me as their is cheating in all walks of life.

rojo, I have a really good story for you. Nobody on letsrun and nobody you know has even got a basic clue about energy kinetics.

Do you want bar room banter or a serious discussion about sports science?

rojo wrote:

coachmandy wrote:

Around the world Kilian is considered the best of all times in ultrarunning, he has won every important race around the world, what else do you want?

I wnat a good reputation. What percent of people think he's on EPO?

I was stunned when I was doing a little research into the ultra world last year when someone told me they thought he was on drugs. I have no idea if he is or not but was for some unknown reason stunned to learn there might be dopoing in the utlra world. I don't know why that stunned me as their is cheating in all walks of life.

Besides the questionable Everest attempts, I can't imagine that Kilian is cheating. Of course my guess is as good as anybody else's. Also EPO is not cheap this is not cycling. The ROI is not there.

rojo wrote:

coachmandy wrote:

Around the world Kilian is considered the best of all times in ultrarunning, he has won every important race around the world, what else do you want?

I wnat a good reputation. What percent of people think he's on EPO?

I was stunned when I was doing a little research into the ultra world last year when someone told me they thought he was on drugs. I have no idea if he is or not but was for some unknown reason stunned to learn there might be dopoing in the utlra world. I don't know why that stunned me as their is cheating in all walks of life.

in that case, All are suspected of fraud, Kilian, Walmsley, Sage, Krupicka, Dauwalter, Herron, Miller, Tollefson, etc...

It's not all about prize money -- there's plenty of money in the sport for a guy like Kilian. He's sponsored by Salomon, Suunto, Mercedes, GoPro, Maurten. He has a million Instagram followers (which makes him more money from the sponsors), and has written a few books that probably did well enough.

Is there any evidence that he's doped? The only thing that raises red flags for me is his start in cross country skiing, including living with a bunch of other skiers, when doping was rampant.

KJ is a magician, making sure the audience only sees exactly what he wanted them to see.

I think he's a talented guy who also has a huge ego. He's writing books, doing podcasts, recklessly running ridges where one misstep could mean plummeting to his death.

The very fact that people keep questioning KJ's legitimacy means something. People questioned Lance and Alberto for years before they were busted for cheating. Squeaky clean guys like Scott Jurek who also did amazing things never get questioned. We all need to trust our gut instincts more on KJ. Something is obviously not right with him.

definitely not jim walmsley wrote:

KJ is a magician, making sure the audience only sees exactly what he wanted them to see.

I think he's a talented guy who also has a huge ego. He's writing books, doing podcasts, recklessly running ridges where one misstep could mean plummeting to his death.

Kilian has a huge ego?

I think you mix that up with Jim Walmsley.