Gjert thinks Jakob will run 3:25

That seems like it would require a 2:13 or better 1000m, Jakob also trains harder than basically all 19 year olds, he has not peaked but 3.6 secs is alot of improvement.

We must also consider the new nike zoom dragonfly spikes,the introduction of pace lights, and the new monaco track when we look at Jakob's improvement. A 3:28.6 1500m in these situation might equal 3:29 high on a normal track without pace lights.

macdaddy wrote:

He’ll run 3:25 if Tim runs 3:24.

11-0. Potato Tim eats Jakob for breakfast.

I can easily foresee Jakob killing Tim when they move to 10k and above.

paris2024hawk wrote:

We must also consider the new nike zoom dragonfly spikes,the introduction of pace lights, and the new monaco track when we look at Jakob's improvement. A 3:28.6 1500m in these situation might equal 3:29 high on a normal track without pace lights.

We also need to consider the disruption the lockdowns caused to his training, the lack of races this season, and the empty stadiums.

Last year he was still 2 or even 3 seconds behind Tim. This year it's less than a second. So maybe Tim peaked last year?

paris2024hawk wrote:

Jakob also trains harder than basically all 19 year olds...

You know about Jakob's training? They train threshold intervals 4 times a week, which is not really hard, 2 - 2,5 Mmol in lactic acid. They measure and have full control and never go above that, except for the saturday's hill repeats.

With Henrik (and Filip) there was some trial and errors, but now the system seems to work really good. Of course, the faster Jakob runs, the closer he gets to his limit, but I think he has still some years to develop!

And also, the plan was never for Jakob to run so fast as this young age. His father said in the "Team Ingebrigtsen" documentary, when he saw his enormous potential, that he really would like to conserve him in a box, and wait til he was over 20, and then continue train him...

So all the training they do, is long term thinking. Building base, layer by layer, year by year...and also remember, Jakob is not really a 1500 m runner. This distance triggers them, but he really has no speed. So when he feels there is not more to gain over 1500, he will move up in distance. And THEN is where the fun begins...?

You can't really make extrapolations between different individuals. Everyone progresses at a different rate. Time will tell. Alan Webb was also faster than El Guerrouj at age 18. He never came close to running faster than El G.

Coevett wrote:

Better shoes and better tracks. El G would have ran 3:24.0 today. Not because he was better than Jakob, but because he was doped to the max with EPO, roids, hgh etc.

C'mon now...you sound like El G ran on a cinder track with clunker spikes. Lol. You have also said El G ran that WR in the full-throttle era where athletes couid use EPO & HGH with immunity. I'd say half a tenth at most for El G given today's tracks & shoes.

It's funny that the two Moroccan WRs have never been broken to this day ? (Brahim Boulami's steeplechase WR from 2002 was annulled for EPO but the time still stands as the fastest).

Les wrote:

"You can't really make extrapolations between different individuals. Everyone progresses at a different rate. Time will tell. Alan Webb was also faster than El Guerrouj at age 18. He never came close to running faster than El G."

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How do you know Alan Webb ran faster than El-Guerrouj at 18? As far as I can see the first 1500m time registered for E-G is from age 19!?

At age 19 E-G ran 3:33.61 in the 1500m whereas A W ran 3:41.46 (3:38.26 at 18 though).

From age 19 to his peak at age 23 E-G improved with 7:61 seconds.

From age 19 to his peak at age 24 A W improved with almost 11 seconds (with 8 seconds from his time at 18).

So do you still think you have a point?

It certainly looks like your (biased and emotional) opinion determines your "facts" instead of letting the facts determine your opinion!

Coevett wrote:

paris2024hawk wrote:

We must also consider the new nike zoom dragonfly spikes,the introduction of pace lights, and the new monaco track when we look at Jakob's improvement. A 3:28.6 1500m in these situation might equal 3:29 high on a normal track without pace lights.

We also need to consider the disruption the lockdowns caused to his training, the lack of races this season, and the empty stadiums.

Last year he was still 2 or even 3 seconds behind Tim. This year it's less than a second. So maybe Tim peaked last year?

Actually not. He was much closer. Never 3 sec. Once over 2 sec. - the final in Doha. Within a second sometimes. The disruption in Jacobs Is training. Not very much. A bit more for Cheruiyot. As we have seen this year, Jakob is close, but Cheruiyot is capable of running faster than 3. 28. Next year will tell us.

When I was younger my mom told me I could be president or an space person but that doesn't look like it is happening for me.

Coevett wrote:

We also need to consider the disruption the lockdowns caused to his training, the lack of races this season, and the empty stadiums

yet elsewhere you say it's not the drugs that have caucasians setting fecords, it's the 'uNiNtErRuPtEd tRaInInG'

*records

Loppas wrote:

And also, the plan was never for Jakob to run so fast as this young age. His father said in the "Team Ingebrigtsen" documentary, when he saw his enormous potential, that he really would like to conserve him in a box, and wait til he was over 20, and then continue train him...

So all the training they do, is long term thinking. Building base, layer by layer, year by year...and also remember, Jakob is not really a 1500 m runner. This distance triggers them, but he really has no speed. So when he feels there is not more to gain over 1500, he will move up in distance. And THEN is where the fun begins...?

It is really funny to see how delusional you are.

mr. nice guy wrote:

Coevett wrote:

We also need to consider the disruption the lockdowns caused to his training, the lack of races this season, and the empty stadiums

yet elsewhere you say it's not the drugs that have caucasians setting fecords, it's the 'uNiNtErRuPtEd tRaInInG'

Can you link to where I said anything of that kind SpafeFetector/Observski/EmmaStoned?

Non-African running has been improving for years in direct relationship to improved testing in Africa. The only period in history when British and their former colonies did not dominate middle-distance was when Africans could dope with EPO and with impunity. It's over now, and you see it with Kenyan results. They are getting busted now at a quicker rate than they can replace them with another unconvictef doper.

Yes wrote:

[quote]Loppas wrote:

It is really funny to see how delusional you are.

So good that you find it funny...but in which part exactly am I being delusional?

Jakob is 20 in a few days.

Peak maturity for middle distacne runner is early 20s. Some improve after because they were not trained enough at 20-21 but that is not the case of Jakob.

I don't see him improving a lot. Actually he hardly improved this year. But the Monaco track improved.

3.27 is likely, 3.26 high is already not so likely imo.

He his not fast enough for 3.25.

I think he should focus one more year on 1500 then on 5k-10 after tokyo.

The dude is or has been on drugs. Doesn’t excite me at all. You’d be blind to not realise this fact.

Yes he is a great young runner

Coevett wrote:

Can you link to where I said anything of that kind SpafeFetector/Observski/EmmaStoned?

can you translate this sentence for me real quick?

am I supposed to go look through the many threads (just from the last few weeks) celebrating caucasians?