Shannon Rowbury 8:40 3k, Kerr 2:17 1k, Amos 1:15 600 And More In Portland

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Jo72 wrote:

You'd expect Rowbury at 35 and about 2 years after giving birth to be around her PB in the 3k?

After 2 years pregnancy isn't much of an issue. Being 35 probably is:) I am counting on her 3000m PR being a bit weak compare to her 1500m and 5000m. 8:40 is like a 15:05 5000m. I was hoping she was more in 14:50 shape (down around 8:30) type shape. 8:40 is sort of a middle of the road result. It isn't a progress off of last year but you would also go for a season opening mark, it isn't bad.

I think it's legitimate to use World Athletic points to compare Women's 3k and 5k:

15:04.91 = 8:45.82

15:00.26 = 8:43.20

14;55.12 = 8:40.26

14:49.99 = 8:37.40

14:37.27 = 8:30.23

Lurker wrote:

I think it's legitimate to use World Athletic points to compare Women's 3k and 5k:

15:04.91 = 8:45.82

15:00.26 = 8:43.20

14;55.12 = 8:40.26

14:49.99 = 8:37.40

14:37.27 = 8:30.23

I think it is far more legitmate to use things like vDot tables

8:40->15:05

8:30->14:47

8:25->14:38

World athletic points have some issues with how they figure out the curve. You can search this board for a discussions about it. Basically events that haven't been contested a lot tend to get overvalued.

That being said, I would feel about the same about a 14:55 as a 15:05. It is a good time. But it isn't one that screams she is back in sub 4 or 14:45 shape.. And again this is all without considering things like weather, pacing, peaking and so on.

Julian seemed quite quite happy with the results from this meet in his interview with Ken Goe. He also mentioned that Brazier and Rowbury had a workout after their races that went very well and that Rowbury will be ready to fight for a spot on the 5k USA team.

Rowbury needs to clean up some form issues... she has some weakness on her right side, not sure if it's glute or QL or something else, but she's pulling down to the right. Watch the video. Once they clean this up, she could be approaching 8:30-shape performances over 3000m as she's losing time/power with this weakness. Great return, though, but needs to get a little bit better to be real come the Trials.

race videos up wrote:

Julian seemed quite quite happy with the results from this meet in his interview with Ken Goe. He also mentioned that Brazier and Rowbury had a workout after their races that went very well and that Rowbury will be ready to fight for a spot on the 5k USA team.

I would expect a coach to say that no matter what:) I sort of doubt that Shelby is running the 5000m. That leaves Schweizer off in a class by her self and then a half dozen woman in the 14:45-15:10 type of shape between Rowbury, Cranny, Huddle, Infeld, Purrier, Hall, and the couple I forgot about to compete for the other 2 spots. I expect some of them to only do the 10k and maybe 1 or 2 of the 15:10 gals to step up. Purrier has to be the wild card. That 4:16 indoors felt like a step above her previous results. Her dropping a 14:40 wouldn't be that shocking despite it being a huge PR. Or maybe that will turn out to be the race of her life. But you go to like Rowbury's chance against most of them in a championship style race.

I had Amos in splits of approximately 20, 21, and 35.

Just kidding! He actually paced it well and his form looked pretty good the last 200.

Not to be a downer, but doesn't it seem suspicious that as soon as drug testing has been pulled back all these athletes are setting huge personal bests. From the 12:47 5K last week to Rowbury's 8:40 3K when she has been stagnant since 2017. I bet if an athlete progression chart was made 2020 would be this massive jump.

dsk wrote:

Not to be a downer, but doesn't it seem suspicious that as soon as drug testing has been pulled back all these athletes are setting huge personal bests. From the 12:47 5K last week to Rowbury's 8:40 3K when she has been stagnant since 2017. I bet if an athlete progression chart was made 2020 would be this massive jump.

She ran 15:05 last year.

oddly albo wrote:

albanese wrote:

Engels just lacks discipline, we've all known that for a while. It's one of the reasons he transferred out of NC State. It's one of the reasons he lives in a van.

While other more disciplined athletes are improving during the COVID pandemic, he's getting worse.

Jeez, you’re really anti Engels for some reason, huh?

How does he lack discipline due to the fact that he left the meatgrinder program at NC State for a wonderful situation at ole miss? He continued his rise into being a stud at ole miss, and he has a van that he travels in. How exactly do either of those things make him undisciplined? I’m genuinely curious.

NC State has been an abyss on the men's side. Based on their results and Engels, I'd say that was one of his best decisions ever. If he'd stayed he'd just be another one of those former HS talents who show up at their home meets and fanboy.

Some athletes are contractually obligated to run a certain amount of races and most athlete have time and/or place performance incentives. None of those contractually obligations automatically go away because of COVID19. I would not be surprised if some athletes are racing because they have to.