Did Fauci break Hippocratic oath?

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3 years ago 07/15/2020 5:20pm EDT

re: Ray

Ray wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
He is our best source of honest information as a counter to all the lies this administration has told.
Nothing will get you fired more quickly in this administration than honesty.
He has been shunned by trump for the past two months, the Fauci character assassination has started. He will be gone soon.
(Many experts said what he did early on about masks.)
This. Our knowledge of this insipid disease is evolving and Fauci has evolved along with it. Should we get rid of the guy who said it will disappear like a miracle in March? Or that we have 15 cases and pretty soon it'll be down to zero? Or let's look into injecting disinfectants and light into our bodies? How about 99% of the positive cases have no symptoms or side effects? The problem in the US right now is we have zero leadership. We've put a moron in charge of our lives and we're paying for it with our lives.

Yeah, let's elect the other guy, the greater moron who said that 120,000,000 US residents have died from Covid-19, after saying that 150,000,000 US residents have died from guns.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-mistakenly-says-120-million-americans-have-died-coronavirus-1513696

3 years ago 07/15/2020 5:43pm EDT

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
NJ fan wrote:
Lab testing shows that surgical masks offer 75% protection for the wearer. That is SIGNIFICANT.
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Fauci told people to NOT wear a mask that blocks 75% of airborne particles incoming to the wearer. That is the main reason the spread was so rapid.
It's hard to complain about people not wearing masks now when for 2 months Fauci told them they didn't need to, then suddenly Fauci changes his recommendation. He is not trustworthy.
You are still mixing up masks, and mixing up what Fauci said.
The surgical masks at 75% are part of the ones in limited supply.
Fauci and the CDC and the Surgeon general have been telling the public for months to save these medical grade masks for medical workers due to the shortages of supply.
The cloth masks recommended by Fauci and the CDC in Trump's briefing on April 3rd offer much less protection: 30-60%.
The point of this study was to see how much protection these cloth alternatives offer medical workers when the N-95 and surgical masks run out.
The main reason the spread was unknown was two-fold: asymptomatic spread and lack of testing.
Note that masks are a secondary defense to the primary recommendation of social distancing. If you were listening carefully, before April 3rd, Fauci said that everyone should social distance -- that was the most important advice. In addition to social distancing, healthy persons did not need to wear masks, but that sick people should wear masks to help prevent the spread, and that N-95 and medical grade masks should be reserved for medical workers.
By April 3rd, the recommendation changed, based on the rapidly increasing number of cases, and new findings that infected persons can be asymptomatic, making it difficult to judge who is healthy.
The message from the CDC, and the reasoning, was clear -- if the public got that wrong, it is not Fauci's fault.
It's easy to complain about people not wearing masks now. He was saying in February and March, when the number of cases was small, that recommendations can change, when the virus starts spreading. In a pandemic, where much is unknown about a new virus, the news can be updated rapidly, it is important to keep up to date with the latest medical advice as it changes based on new information, and it is important for a strong leader to provide clarity and consistency in the messaging (as opposed to calling it a hoax, or promoting experimental drugs, or muddying the message by downplaying the CDC guidelines).
I note your study is also dated the 17th of April, two weeks after the recommendation for everyone to wear masks, and save the medical grade masks for the medical workers.

The biggest criticisms leveled against Trump are that he didn't take actions soon enough and you are trying to justify the exact timing of every action - meaning you are supporting Trump's handling of the virus.

Because of Fauci's recommendations, we went from 24 total to 3.5 million cases. That's horrible and it's Fauci's fault.

Up to 60% protection is still DAMN GOOD. Fauci DID NOT tell people to wear a mask to get that 60% protection. He even LIED and said that masks will make you more likely to get COVID. That's UNFORGIVABLE and you should be ashamed for even defending this guy.

3 years ago 07/15/2020 5:44pm EDT

re: NJ fan

Also you said the main reason for the spread are asymptomatic spread and lack of testing.

You know what could have prevented the spread despite those obstacles.......MASKS!

3 years ago 07/16/2020 3:58am EDT

re: NJ fan

NJ fan wrote:
The biggest criticisms leveled against Trump are that he didn't take actions soon enough and you are trying to justify the exact timing of every action - meaning you are supporting Trump's handling of the virus.
Because of Fauci's recommendations, we went from 24 total to 3.5 million cases. That's horrible and it's Fauci's fault.
Up to 60% protection is still DAMN GOOD. Fauci DID NOT tell people to wear a mask to get that 60% protection. He even LIED and said that masks will make you more likely to get COVID. That's UNFORGIVABLE and you should be ashamed for even defending this guy.

Trump should have started preparations in January, stockpiling PPE, and ramping up testing, instead of calling it a democratic hoax, making the pandemic political, and setting up the conflict that caused the general failure in the US.

Trump lied to the American public when he said it was contained, under control, and would disappear by April.

CDC did not know until late March, early April about the significance of asymptomatic spread. Enforcing lockdowns, stay at home, social distancing and cloth masks would have contained it by end of April, as it did in virtually every other country in the world.

It's not Fauci's fault. The poor execution of Fauci's and the CDC's clear recommendations by the Trump Administration caused the national failure, and led to the current situation of 3.5 million cases.

For example, Fauci did not say masks were optional, after April 3rd, and did not recommend tweeting "Liberate Michigan", nor recommend re-opening states early. On the contrary, he repeatedly cautioned against skipping steps.

It is not a lie to say there can be unintended consequences to wearing masks.

We did not know about 30-60% until two weeks after Fauci and CDC already clearly recommended the general public wear cloth masks.

You should be ashamed for your lack of understanding what Fauci and the CDC were saying back in February and March, and for lying about it now.

3 years ago 07/16/2020 3:59am EDT

re: NJ fan

NJ fan wrote:
Also you said the main reason for the spread are asymptomatic spread and lack of testing.
You know what could have prevented the spread despite those obstacles.......MASKS!

Once the CDC learned about asymptomatic spread, the clear recommendation changed to wearing masks.

Thereafter, Trump muddied the message.

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