Chep already beat the elite contenders once:
Chep already beat the elite contenders once:
Cool race. Can't believe he shot out like that with 2000 to go in a DL race.
birdbeard wrote:
Cool race. Can't believe he shot out like that with 2000 to go in a DL race.
You never saw it?
The Ethiopians did not take him seriously and gifted him a 50m headstart.
They will not do it again. The two times where he was in the pack for the final lap of a 5000m he finished far behind.
This is what I believe these select dozen runners could have run for 1500/3000/5000/10,000 TIME TRIALS EXECUTED TO 98.5% PERFECTION - in parentheses are their event rank within the group.
Daniel Komen ‘96-‘97: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:20.5 (1) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:31 (7)
Paul Tergat ‘96-‘97: 3:33.0 (10) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:47 (10) - 26:27 (3t)
Hicham El Guerrouj ‘98-‘99: 3:26.0 (1) - 7:21.0 (2) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:38 (10t)
Haile Gebrselassie ‘98-‘99: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:23.0 (5) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:20 (2)
Kenenisa Bekele ‘04-‘05: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:21.5 (3) - 12:36 (1) - 26:13 (1)
Eliud Kipchoge ‘04-‘05: 3:32.0 (8) - 7:25.5 (7) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:30 (6)
Galen Rupp ‘12-‘13: 3:33.5 (11) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:50 (11) - 26:38 (10t)
Mo Farah ‘15-‘16: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:22.5 (4) - 12:42 (4) - 26:27 (3t)
Yomif Kejelcha ‘18-‘19: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:25.0 (6) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:33 (8)
Joshua Cheptegei ‘19-‘20: 3:32.5 (9) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:28 (5)
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ‘19-‘20: 3:30.0 (4) - 7:27.0 (8) - 12:52 (12) - 26:55 (12)
Mohammed Ahmed ‘19-‘20: 3:35.0 (12) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:46 (9) - 26:35 (9)
John Wesley Harding wrote:
This is what I believe these select dozen runners could have run for 1500/3000/5000/10,000 TIME TRIALS EXECUTED TO 98.5% PERFECTION - in parentheses are their event rank within the group.
Daniel Komen ‘96-‘97: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:20.5 (1) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:31 (7)
Paul Tergat ‘96-‘97: 3:33.0 (10) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:47 (10) - 26:27 (3t)
Hicham El Guerrouj ‘98-‘99: 3:26.0 (1) - 7:21.0 (2) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:38 (10t)
Haile Gebrselassie ‘98-‘99: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:23.0 (5) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:20 (2)
Kenenisa Bekele ‘04-‘05: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:21.5 (3) - 12:36 (1) - 26:13 (1)
Eliud Kipchoge ‘04-‘05: 3:32.0 (8) - 7:25.5 (7) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:30 (6)
Galen Rupp ‘12-‘13: 3:33.5 (11) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:50 (11) - 26:38 (10t)
Mo Farah ‘15-‘16: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:22.5 (4) - 12:42 (4) - 26:27 (3t)
Yomif Kejelcha ‘18-‘19: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:25.0 (6) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:33 (8)
Joshua Cheptegei ‘19-‘20: 3:32.5 (9) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:28 (5)
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ‘19-‘20: 3:30.0 (4) - 7:27.0 (8) - 12:52 (12) - 26:55 (12)
Mohammed Ahmed ‘19-‘20: 3:35.0 (12) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:46 (9) - 26:35 (9)
i know everybody hates him, but it's a shame farah never had the opportunity to for it during time trial type races in the 5k/10k. or maybe he did and blew it?
*go for it...
Lion belt wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Cool race. Can't believe he shot out like that with 2000 to go in a DL race.
You never saw it?
The Ethiopians did not take him seriously and gifted him a 50m headstart.
They will not do it again. The two times where he was in the pack for the final lap of a 5000m he finished far behind.
Yeah, right. So the Ethiopians did not take seriously the world cross champion and a guy who was tearing it up all year? If so, they are all stupid. Chep deserved that win -- he took it from more than
a mile out, and the rest failed to respond. Race over.
DC Wonk wrote:
Lion belt wrote:
You never saw it?
The Ethiopians did not take him seriously and gifted him a 50m headstart.
They will not do it again. The two times where he was in the pack for the final lap of a 5000m he finished far behind.
Yeah, right. So the Ethiopians did not take seriously the world cross champion and a guy who was tearing it up all year? If so, they are all stupid. Chep deserved that win -- he took it from more than
a mile out, and the rest failed to respond. Race over.
He did not tear anything up and it was his first and only 5000m win. They underestimared him once and it wont happen again.
First of all, you don't know how it all happened.
After his horrible injury in 2018, he came back pretty strong and managed to run a 41:05 WB at 15k.
Then, took a break, and resumed his intensive training from January with the focus to win the gold medal which he achieved. Then, he took 4 weeks of total rest, and then started to build-up for DL 5000m final and especially Doha 10,000m.(8 days apart)
After only 3 weeks of training and still in base phase, he ran 13:06 in Shanghai(7th, Kejelcha won in 13:00). Then at the end of the base phase, he ran 7:33 for 3000m with limited speed work and 8:07 for 2 miles + a 13:03 in Lausanne for 4th.
Only after that he truly started the specific phase, and after a short tapering period, he became DL champ and 10,000m World Champ.
The message to take away, never underestimate Cheptegei, he is still improving, year after year. If he trained at 100% during this break, i expect him to break the 5,000m WR in Monaco. Whatever he sets out for...he seems to achieve.
Mzungu in Iten wrote:
First of all, you don't know how it all happened.
After his horrible injury in 2018, he came back pretty strong and managed to run a 41:05 WB at 15k.
Then, took a break, and resumed his intensive training from January with the focus to win the gold medal which he achieved. Then, he took 4 weeks of total rest, and then started to build-up for DL 5000m final and especially Doha 10,000m.(8 days apart)
After only 3 weeks of training and still in base phase, he ran 13:06 in Shanghai(7th, Kejelcha won in 13:00). Then at the end of the base phase, he ran 7:33 for 3000m with limited speed work and 8:07 for 2 miles + a 13:03 in Lausanne for 4th.
Only after that he truly started the specific phase, and after a short tapering period, he became DL champ and 10,000m World Champ.
The message to take away, never underestimate Cheptegei, he is still improving, year after year. If he trained at 100% during this break, i expect him to break the 5,000m WR in Monaco. Whatever he sets out for...he seems to achieve.
I exactly know how it happened.
He did not win because he blew the field nor because he was faster. He followed a runner who tried to make the pace faster. The ethiopians sat far far behind and gave him a 50m headstart before reacting too late.
Cheptegai did not drop them because he went too fast and he did not outckick them.
He had a 50m headstart and managed to keep 10m until the end.
That's how it went.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
This is what I believe these select dozen runners could have run for 1500/3000/5000/10,000 TIME TRIALS EXECUTED TO 98.5% PERFECTION - in parentheses are their event rank within the group.
Daniel Komen ‘96-‘97: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:20.5 (1) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:31 (7)
Paul Tergat ‘96-‘97: 3:33.0 (10) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:47 (10) - 26:27 (3t)
Hicham El Guerrouj ‘98-‘99: 3:26.0 (1) - 7:21.0 (2) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:38 (10t)
Haile Gebrselassie ‘98-‘99: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:23.0 (5) - 12:38 (2t) - 26:20 (2)
Kenenisa Bekele ‘04-‘05: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:21.5 (3) - 12:36 (1) - 26:13 (1)
Eliud Kipchoge ‘04-‘05: 3:32.0 (8) - 7:25.5 (7) - 12:44 (5t) - 26:30 (6)
Galen Rupp ‘12-‘13: 3:33.5 (11) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:50 (11) - 26:38 (10t)
Mo Farah ‘15-‘16: 3:28.5 (2t) - 7:22.5 (4) - 12:42 (4) - 26:27 (3t)
Yomif Kejelcha ‘18-‘19: 3:30.5 (5t) - 7:25.0 (6) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:33 (8)
Joshua Cheptegei ‘19-‘20: 3:32.5 (9) - 7:28.0 (9t) - 12:45 (7t) - 26:28 (5)
Jakob Ingebrigtsen ‘19-‘20: 3:30.0 (4) - 7:27.0 (8) - 12:52 (12) - 26:55 (12)
Mohammed Ahmed ‘19-‘20: 3:35.0 (12) - 7:29.0 (11t) - 12:46 (9) - 26:35 (9)
Okay, more like 3:34.89 for Ahmed at 1500
I bow down to OP's 12:35 prediction one month out.
randomcoach wrote:
I bow down to OP's 12:35 prediction one month out.
Best Prediction ever ?
roller coaster wrote:
cheesewiz wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH... MAN!! Good one!
Come back in a few months or years and you'll realize it wasn't a joke. We're about to re-live the Vaporfly transformation on the track.
Roller coaster, Just curious, which stocks do you think will do well this year?
lol, great prediction.
Hah so many MORANS went home devastated.
not that sure
ex-runner wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Cheptegei outkicked Kejelcha at WCs in the 10,000m. If he can outkick the indoor mile WR holder, I think he can outkick the dude with a 3:39 1500 PR. His endurance is better than his speed but he has enough speed to crush Ahmed.
I do not think Mo's 12:47 is superior to Cheptegei's solo 12:51 on the roads. Mo had perfect pacing and drafted the majority o the race. Cheptegei was out front the entire race. Also not more impressive than Cheptegei's sub-27 outkicking Kejelcha for a WC in which he led half the time is also more impressive than Ahmed's 12:47. Worth noting he crushed Ahmed in that race as well.
Moh ran a strong final 2k of which the majority was by himself. That is the kind of finish that Cheptegei cannot manage in a 5k. 3:58 final 1600 is shifting.
To the guy mentioning Ahmed's 3:39 1500m, please go and watch the Doha 5k. He has no problems outkicking the fastest in the world including everyone's favourite 3:30 running Norwegian.
Moh has superior speed and I would put my money on him over Cheptegei in a normal track race over 3k/5k. 10k is different.
They raced each other in both 5k and 10k at the 2018 commonwealth games in Australia. Cheptegei beat Ahmed in both events by out sprinting him on the last lap.
birdbeard wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Mo Ahmed would probably beat Cheptegei in a track 5000m.
nah
he beat him in rio in 2016 when cheptegei was 19 and moh was 25, but cheptegei has taken leaps since then. i cannot watch cheptegei lead half the time and then crush rhonex and kejelcha in doha and think moh would be close to him in a track 5000 now, with cheptegei 23 y/o.
Commonwealth games 2018, Gold Coast Australia. Cheptegei beat Ahmed in both 5k and 10k, via sprint finish.
Anthos wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
nah
he beat him in rio in 2016 when cheptegei was 19 and moh was 25, but cheptegei has taken leaps since then. i cannot watch cheptegei lead half the time and then crush rhonex and kejelcha in doha and think moh would be close to him in a track 5000 now, with cheptegei 23 y/o.
Commonwealth games 2018, Gold Coast Australia. Cheptegei beat Ahmed in both 5k and 10k, via sprint finish.
He ran WR. I think the argument is over. You won.
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