Fauci admits to lying - but we cannot question him now

Giles Corey wrote:

I know exactly what he said.

"The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

"If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you," he said. "People start saying, 'Should I start wearing a mask?' Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."

Finally.

But once again, these are still true statements. Unless it is a well-fitted N95 mask, because of the leakage, masks don't really protect the wearer that much. What they found out later was, they could still help prevent infected wearers from spreading the virus. The "now" in that statement refers to a time when:

- people were at home, advised to social distance (which we learned from Fauci was more effective than masks), and most businesses were closed

- there was not yet scientific consensus on the masks (which we learned from Fauci), and scientists didn't yet know the value of the cloth coverings (which we learned from Fauci) and drugstore masks, even with leakage, for "source control", i.e. preventing retransmission.

Two months later, states are re-opening, and the ability to social distance is decreasing, therefore, it is more important today, than it was two months ago, to wear masks.

Circumstances change (which Fauci said in the video) and knowledge about the virus and how it spreads has evolved. This results in different recommendations over time.

We learned this not that long ago with Ebola, as Americans similarly panicked losing trust in the CDC. We saw similar patterns of "fear-based messages on the news and social media sites" which required the CDC to work hard to educate various groups and debunk rumors.

"During this response, information about Ebola constantly evolved, and health communication messages and products needed to keep pace. ... Responding agencies, such as CDC, need to recognize and acknowledge publicly that a key component of accurate messaging (i.e., scientific knowledge) will evolve during any response."

rekrunner wrote:

[quote]Giles Corey wrote:

I know exactly what he said.

"The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

"If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you," he said. "People start saying, 'Should I start wearing a mask?' Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."

Finally.

But once again, these are still true statements.

The usual apology for Fauci "admitting" that he told the public they did not need masks as he was hoping to ensure that there would be enuff for the medical pros is that he changed his mind in response to new info. This is clearly not true and he had stated he misled the public for the overall good.

In the quote above, I think the key take away is "Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."

You are taking the novel approach to assert this was and is a true statement.

Care to amend your statement or will you stand by the claim that it is still true that there is "absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.""?

2600 bro wrote:

You know nothing about how vaccines are made.

Giles Corey wrote:

The usual apology for Fauci "admitting" that he told the public they did not need masks as he was hoping to ensure that there would be enuff for the medical pros is that he changed his mind in response to new info. This is clearly not true and he had stated he misled the public for the overall good.

In the quote above, I think the key take away is "Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."

You are taking the novel approach to assert this was and is a true statement.

Care to amend your statement or will you stand by the claim that it is still true that there is "absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.""?

At that time, with the knowledge that they had, Fauci said there was no scientific consensus on masks -- i.e. "no reason".

What I said was true then and now was that masks that leak do not protect the wearer much.

What I said was that scientific knowledge evolved in the meantime (leaky masks can prevent spread by source control), and circumstances changed (as states gradually re-opened) and new reasons emerged.

The recommendation changes when the knowledge evolves, and circumstances change.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Pessimistbutrealist wrote:

You will die along with 2/3 of America. Go read the Deagel Report.

No, I won't. I live safely in another country that has followed the advice of experts like Fauci.

You are a citizen of Australia, correct? I believe Australia or New Zealand. Does your minister of health or minister of health & science make statements publicly over hyping the likely of a covid-19 vaccine? There will not be a safe & effective covid-19 vaccine. If biologists or medical doctors in your country are doing the same as Fauci, then scientists in your nation are wrong also. I doubt it. Trump is a gangster who has corrupted most people who surround trump. Fauci was not always a weak puppet. Fauci is a weak puppet today.

I guess I should amend my statements -- I skimmed too fast over your quote.

As you told us, Fauci already knew then:

"The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others."

So as he was saying "no reason", he had already said infected people need to wear masks. So "no reason" must apply only to those not infected, since leaky drugstore masks don't do much to protect the wearer.

Nobody can ever just admit they were wrong

Same with Amy Acton.

I respect her a little b/c she grew up in an impoverished household and made it big.

But this pandemic never affected her financially. She has FU money too.

dunes runner wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

You know nothing about how vaccines are made.

https://i.redd.it/u54vzi0tpv451.jpg

Lol his point still stands. You've only proven it.

Harambe wrote:

Lol his point still stands. You've only proven it.

Hahahaha!!! You're so stupid. Hahaha!!!

Giles, thanks for posting the excellent Farrakhan video. He is right.

I'm convinced that Gates el at are contaminating the food supply, which I've been telling my friend this since this fiasco began. I got a different kind of pinto beans from Costco recently that are strange. They don't cook well, and they don't even sprout. I strongly suspect that they've been purposely tampered with and I won't get them again.

Giles Corey wrote:

Nobody can ever just admit they were wrong

I did just offer a small correction, and I think you missed the gravity of it.

You just told us that you knew the exact evidence showing Fauci did not lie back then, completely invalidating your whole argument. When I asked you for an exact quote, after you said "Lying about the public need to use masks back in April, you mean?", you provided this quote:

I know exactly what he said.

"The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

So, you admitted that you knew exactly that he said infected people need to wear masks, and yet despite Fauci identifying which Americans need to wear masks, and the main reason for it, your "key take away" was "no reason".

Do you care to amend any of your statements now, in light of your own admission?

As a historical reminder about the timing of the shift in mask recommendations and stating the goal of protecting medical workers due to PPE shortages, here is what Trump and the medical experts were saying on the 3rd of April:

""The CDC is advising the use of nonmedical cloth face covering as a voluntary health measure," Trump said during his Friday briefing."

""The CDC is not recommending the use of medical grade or surgical grade masks," he added, noting things such as the N95 respirators need to be saved for medical professionals."

"The country has been dealing with a dire shortage of critical protective gear, including masks and gloves for medical professionals."

And a few days earlier, at the end of March:

"Do you need a mask? The science hasn't changed, but public guidance might"

"Attitudes about masks are beginning to change in the U.S., both among the general public and at the highest levels of public health."

"While the science behind whether masks can prevent a person from catching the coronavirus hasn't changed (a mask does not help a healthy person avoid infection), public guidance may be shifting."

Also includes a video interview where Fauci in March, recommends face coverings for the public (and social distancing and other measures), while emphasizing saving medical grade masks for medical workers:

So there are your truths both then and now:

- Masks don't protect the wearers from infection -- both then and now.

- Masks, and later cloth coverings, combined with social distancing and hand hygiene, can help reduce the spread of the virus from the infected -- both then and now.

- Shortages of PPE equipment and the need and the desire to protect medical workers was expressed by both Trump and medical experts, as early as end of March, and was covered widely in the mainstream.

- Physical separation and social distancing is better than masks -- both then and now.

I note also the predictions were spot on:

- Fauci and team presented models saying the 30-day guidelines would produce 100,000-240,000 deaths, versus the worst case of doing nothing producing 1.5-2.0 million deaths. He expressed hope that even stricter adherence to the guidelines during this 30 day extension would reduce the numbers further. Sadly some conservative thinking is sabotaging this effort in the US, that has proven to work pretty much everywhere else.

This false outrage now, nearly three months later, over something that was well known by both the Trump administration, and by the medical experts, and in the mainstream media, is either the result of selective ignorance, or wilful lying to suit different agendas, or both.

Giles Corey wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

At that time, with the knowledge that they had, Fauci said there was no scientific consensus on masks -- i.e. "no reason".

What I said was true then and now was that masks that leak do not protect the wearer much.

What I said was that scientific knowledge evolved in the meantime (leaky masks can prevent spread by source control), and circumstances changed (as states gradually re-opened) and new reasons emerged.

The recommendation changes when the knowledge evolves, and circumstances change.

Nobody can ever just admit they were wrong

Snap.

rekrunner wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Lying about the public need to use masks back in April you mean?

I asked you before to provide exact quotes -- or I'll assume it didn't happen.

Lacking any contradictory statements, I will assume Fauci is still telling us the truth, as he has done from the beginning, and it only becomes a lie when you retell it. Fortunately for me, I make my conclusions from the original undistorted source.

What is it you think Fauci said back in April or March?

I find it funny how you clowns think Fauci is lying when he defends Trump, but everything else he says is the gospel truth.

Steve Martin wrote:

I find it funny how you clowns think Fauci is lying when he defends Trump, but everything else he says is the gospel truth.

You replied to me -- was that on purpose? I never thought Fauci lied. He comes across as a man of science and integrity, who was put in a difficult position as a man of science with the goal of helping a nation during a pandemic, advising a man of non-science with different goals.

Everyone can see now that these messages of leaky drug store masks not helping the wearer, of PPE being in short supply, and of the need to keep medical grade N95 masks reserved for medical staff, and then subsequently the recommendation of cloth coverings to protect others from infection, were repeatedly hammered to the public way back in March-April, by Fauci, by medical experts, by the CDC, as reported contemporaneously by mainstream media, and by Trump in his own press briefing.

In that light, it must be embarrassing now for anyone to show the depth of their ignorance today by expressing false outrage over something that was well known pretty much from the start nearly three months ago.