The WHO says it’s “very rare” for asymptomatic individuals to spread COVID-19

Thanks to COVID-19, everyone, especially children, will all soon be required to carry medical liability insurance to cover oneself in the event that contact tracing points back to oneself as the infect-er. This will be similar to automotive liability insurance which is the main driver of that cost. We're all screwed.

They already tried that Joe and it failed. Good try Obamacare.

i am not a doctor but this is my take on what the doctor from WHO said. you have to separate an asymptomatic patient from a pre-symptomatic patient (which she did). the former is someone who has the virus but never shows symptoms while the latter is a someone who has the virus and eventually show symptoms ( with a perfect test both would have tested positive). the study suggests the former person rarely spreads the virus while the later can rapidly spread it especially just before expressing symptoms.

This is important because if you can seperate the former from the later you can reduce/stop contact tracing the asymptomatic person. for example, once an asymptomatic person passes an incubation period you prune the entire tree (stop the trace). also indicates you want to evaluate symptoms asap. this could make a massive difference in this country where we have such a high infection rate that the infection tree is massive so as to make tracing nearly impossible. we are paying dealing from the complete failure of testing program.

the reason why one patient shows symptoms and another doesn't could be the viral load they are exposed to, age, race, ...

Left brainded wrote:

They already tried that Joe and it failed. Good try Obamacare.

That's not at all what I am describing. Your current medical insurance will do nothing to support you financially in the event you contribute to someone's illness/death by not wearing your cotton face mask properly, not applying hand sanitizer before entering the supermarket, sneezing in a public space, or any number of ridiculous accusations that will soon become common, I predict.

after seeing that, we here at the Happy Trails Nursing Home have tossed out the masks and looted the medicine cabinet.

We were told this disease is spread through droplets mainly through coughing and sneezing. It doesn't spread on surfaces (anymore). If pre symptomatic people aren't coughing and sneezing than how are they spreading it? Does it start to spread when symptoms present themselves meaning they become symptomatic? This parsing of asymptomatic vs. presymptomatic is a distinction without a difference knowing how this virus is spread.

as i understand it the asymptomatic patient rarely excludes a significant viral amount via exhaling, coughing, sneezing, ... at least not enough to spread the virus. the pre-symptomatic patient is thought to exclude huge amount of virus. i think i have read that just a single exhale could contain 30000 viruses just around the onset of symptoms. of course once they exhibit symptoms they typically quarantine in some way, maybe just taking an aspirin and going to bed. WHO is using the analysis of contact tracing to suggest this is the case. it could be very significant if true because it is hard for a layman like myself to understand how to even begin effective contact tracing in the country today.

i forgot to add the pre-symptomatic by definition will become symptomatic given time. hope this helps.

Its not just caughing and sneezing. Just TALKING is sufficient to spew enough virus to infect another.

Yes, but they must not forget, the big wheel turns whether they get the virus or not

Won't get fooled again.... wrote:

Wait, The WHO says it's very rare to spread if you are asymptomatic? Last I checked neither Roger Daltrey nor Pete Townsend are qualified to do this...

Well played

Is today modern enough?

“All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19,” scientists at the Harvard Global Health Institute said in a statement on Tuesday. [quoted from The New York Times, June 9, 2020]

Just in: They clarified what they said. Still I have no idea what they mean. It appears no one knows how this virus transmits.

Confirmation bias at work in a big way. The WHO never changed its position on asymptomatic spread. One of the technical leads for the coronavirus team made a comment during a live Q/A session on social media about the issue. All she was saying was that the research she saw had a difficult time tracing transmission from asymptomatic individuals. She did not conclude that this meant that asymptomatic transmission was rare. She was just observing that it was rare to be able to verify asymptomatic transmission per the research she saw. This was just a comment on one question on a social media forum. It was not an official announcement changing the WHO's position.

But everyone who wants to play the COVID denier game jumped all over this and claimed that the WHO made a shocking reversal and has concluded with compete confidence that asymptomatic spread is extremely rare so we can all go to bars as long as we don't have a fever or are coughing up a lung.

Asymptomatic spread is happening. It has been studied. People are shedding the highest load of the virus right before they become symptomatic. It is difficult to trace asymptomatic spread because people often do not know they have COVID symptoms when don't have a cough or fever.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/who-coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-bn/index.html

Precious Roy wrote:

But everyone who wants to play the COVID denier game..

There is no "COVID denier" game Roy- there are those of us who have done copious amounts of independent research and examined all sides of the issue and understand conclusively that Covid has not only been a swindle but is being used to destroy the lives of tens of thousands of people and to fatten the wallets of parasites on Wall St. and the Pharmaceutical profit junkies- and then there are those like yourself who rely on proven propaganda outlets and corporate funded junk scientists to remain ignorant and obedient.

You are in collusion with some of the most venal opportunists in planetary history as you support the false narrative of these huge financial interests who know nothing but death and destruction as they move through the world.

Oh lord lol. This is also after they said that asymptomatic people could be the most likely to spread a strong portion of the virus.

I have no idea why anyone would still be listening to them. WHO has been wrong at EVERY step of this outbreak. None of the experts knew what was going on and still don't lol. It's a joke honestly.

You are the one with confirmation bias my friend. You ignore the experts that contradict your preconceived beliefs and blindly follow the ones that echo what you already believe.

You're completely misusing the "junk science" label. You covid-19 deniers (also many of you seem to be holocaust deniers and anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists) use the epitome of junk science, picking and choosing bad 'science' that affirms your preconceptions and forgetting about that every time it is refuted. From the beginning, you posited that it was no worse than the flu. Over 113,000 people in the United States have died in three months, over 50k more than the estimated deaths from the worst flu epidemic in decades, and as you will see, when they do the final estimates for COVID-19, its numbers will be far, far higher than immediate counted deaths, which is the 1st figure above. How could something be just the flu when it causes far more deaths with far fewer infections (flu typically infects about twice as many as current high estimates of 38 million for COVID in the U.S.) than the worst flu epidemic since 1920?

--You happily cite one WHO official's wrong answer and then when she explains what was wrong, you say that we're picking and choosing.

--One of you was predicting 2500 total cases in the U.S. That's off by a factor of at least a thousand, probably more than ten thousand.

--Another cited a German doctor who predicted a total of 3,000 deaths there over 100 days. They got nearly 9,000, and they would have had 3-4 times the # of deaths had their ratio of deaths to confirmed cases been close to that of the UK, France, Italy, and Spain.

--You cited hydroxychloroquine as a cure because the famous scientist Donald J. Trump said so. It's since been proven not to work and perhaps even to cause heart problems in some.

--You said it was insignificant because it would never equal the seasonal flu and now it's at about four times the usual death toll based on estimates of seasonal flu.

What else are you going to get wrong? The WHO said masks wouldn't help. They were wrong and most of us thinking people knew that and ignored them. We look at confirmed scientific studies and all you anti-vaxxers do is puff up false theories spun out of whole cloth.

The Red Panda wrote:

Is today modern enough?

“All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19,” scientists at the Harvard Global Health Institute said in a statement on Tuesday. [quoted from The New York Times, June 9, 2020]

The establishment is smearing the WHO after this comment.

It doesn't fit the narrative! Wah! Wah!