57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

How so? Is it not true that more than 60% of Covid deaths took place in nursing homes? Is it not true that the median time from entering a nursing home to death is five months?

Wearing a mask is probably useless and bad for our health. But no big deal.

The lockdowns are an attack on the public however

Anonie wrote:

coronafreedom wrote:

Even if we believe what you are saying, there would still be hundreds of thousands of people dying worldwide. I believe this is enough death for us to do something as little as wearing a mask in public when around others we aren't living with.

Wearing a mask is probably useless and bad for our health. But no big deal.

The lockdowns are an attack on the public however

The virus is an attack on the public.

You are either pro-lockdown or pro-virus.

Florida is worse than I thought. Over 250+ deaths reported in the past 24 hours. Hopefully this is the worst week. Arizona and Texas are not great, but they are getting better definitively. Florida, meanwhile is steady at 9-10K cases per day with high positivity rates that are stubbornly staying over 10%. Conservatively projecting reported deaths in the next 4 weeks after 3 very bad days to come that will put deaths over 7,000: 1200, 900, 700, 600. That would be over 10,000 deaths by September

Fat hurts wrote:

Anonie wrote:

Wearing a mask is probably useless and bad for our health. But no big deal.

The lockdowns are an attack on the public however

The virus is an attack on the public.

You are either pro-lockdown or pro-virus.

You are like the people who believed we had to go to war on lies because we were told you are either with the war of with the terrorists.

Will you ever grow up? Wake up? Will you buy the lies of authorities over and over again all your life?

Whodunit wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The virus is an attack on the public.

You are either pro-lockdown or pro-virus.

You are like the people who believed we had to go to war on lies because we were told you are either with the war of with the terrorists.

Will you ever grow up? Wake up? Will you buy the lies of authorities over and over again all your life?

this is tricky stuff...it's true that Dems defer to experts. Trusting experts is usually the right move. But not always. The Iraq War is an example, yes.

On the other hand, it's awfully stupid to say ' I don't believe in science experts about Covid because in 2003 the State Department was wrong about the Iraq War.'

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Florida is worse than I thought. Over 250+ deaths reported in the past 24 hours. Hopefully this is the worst week. Arizona and Texas are not great, but they are getting better definitively. Florida, meanwhile is steady at 9-10K cases per day with high positivity rates that are stubbornly staying over 10%. Conservatively projecting reported deaths in the next 4 weeks after 3 very bad days to come that will put deaths over 7,000: 1200, 900, 700, 600. That would be over 10,000 deaths by September

Not so fast for Texas. Positives were up just over 9,000 and deaths were a record 313 yesterday. Given the infection density, Florida should be worse than Texas for deaths, but that has not been the case. The worst may still be on the way for Florida when it comes for fatalities.

Masks in Texas seem to have put a cap on the outbreak, but the Governor is pushing for in person schools to open in a few weeks. That could cause everything to blow up again, assuming that rates go down the next few weeks, which is not a safe assumption.

Precious Roy wrote:

This pretty much sums up the COVID debate. The post above this one has a tweet from Dr. Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins and one of the top experts in the US on infectious diseases and public health policy. And a relatively moderate figure politically having collaborated with the American Enterprise Institute to work on a policy for safe reopening with Bush appointees, Scott Gottlieb and and Mark McClellan.

And then you have a tweet from Alex Berenson. Berenson went from a respected business reporter at NYT to a complete quack writing a bizarre book on how smoking weed will turn everyone into violent psychopaths and now becoming an arm chair epidemiologist and COVID denier.

Here is the problem the medical establishment has with their credibility: they've

shown from the beginning that they are incompetent.

From the WHO, shown from the start to be willing to lie for the Chinese government,

to the CDC.

Take the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The only advice

they seem to have to control and prevent covid is to wear a mask, but then that

wasn't the advice earlier and the data for how much it will actually help is non-existent.

Shouldn't they have determined how much mask use helps to the 4th decimal

place if this is all they have besides locking everyone in their homes? Something

like N95 masks fitted and used correctly reduces cases by x% for an extremely

contagious, airborne disease like measles and y% for a less contagious, droplet

spread disease like the flu. Cloth masks worn, probably incorrectly, by your

typical doof does ...

Sure it is difficult and for ethical reasons you don't want to be, for example,

exposing people to measles, but they have a 7 billion dollar budget and supposedly

smart people. Figure it out before something comes along and you are

recommending locking down the entire country.

I believe the CDC also didn't restock the US mask stockpile after the swine flu

and blew the initial covid testing roll out.

Here is the summary from an investment group that looks more in agreement with

what the data shows than anything you get out of the US government:

One quote from the article, not from an epidemiologist as they haven't exactly

had their predictions born out, but related to this thread:

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Nobel Prize winning biological scientist Michael Levitt had already come to the

same conclusion based on a different approach: he predicted that the virus

would “burn out” when it had infected 15-20% of the population though based on

a pattern predicted by the “Gompertz curve” which indicated that the number of

deaths after the peak is roughly double those from before resulting in Levitt

accurately predicting the number of Chinese and Swedish deaths months in

advance. Levitt has recently bravely predicted that US COVID will “be done in

4 weeks [25 Aug] with a total reported death below 170,000”, compared

to 149,000 today.

___

agip wrote:

On the other hand, it's awfully stupid to say ' I don't believe in science experts about Covid because in 2003 the State Department was wrong about the Iraq War.'

You are assuming that the science experts being presented to us via the mainstream media are the only ones that are experts and that they are in near total agreement.

Other alleged experts who have something different to say are removed from Social Media and ignored by the MSM (other than Fox).

The fact that only one view is being allowed and the massive fear campaign we have been subjected to is enough to lead me to conclude we are being lied to,

When is the last time we faced this level of fear mongering and it was for our own good?

Whodunit wrote:

agip wrote:

On the other hand, it's awfully stupid to say ' I don't believe in science experts about Covid because in 2003 the State Department was wrong about the Iraq War.'

You are assuming that the science experts being presented to us via the mainstream media are the only ones that are experts and that they are in near total agreement.

Other alleged experts who have something different to say are removed from Social Media and ignored by the MSM (other than Fox).

The fact that only one view is being allowed and the massive fear campaign we have been subjected to is enough to lead me to conclude we are being lied to,

When is the last time we faced this level of fear mongering and it was for our own good?

when is the last time a new virus killed 660,000 people and crushed economies around the planet?

I'm *hoping* that yesterday was a backlog of deaths due to changes in how Texas reports. Had heard that on social media from COVID19 Tracking and others. Hopefully, some more clarity today and tomorrow.

agip wrote:

Whodunit wrote:

You are assuming that the science experts being presented to us via the mainstream media are the only ones that are experts and that they are in near total agreement.

Other alleged experts who have something different to say are removed from Social Media and ignored by the MSM (other than Fox).

The fact that only one view is being allowed and the massive fear campaign we have been subjected to is enough to lead me to conclude we are being lied to,

When is the last time we faced this level of fear mongering and it was for our own good?

when is the last time a new virus killed 660,000 people and crushed economies around the planet?

See. You believe without question that 660,000 people have been killed by Covid.

The virus did not crush the economies, The lockdowns did. Surely you agree with this?

Why would anyone agree with this? Lockdown or not, an unchecked pandemic affects human behavior. There's some wrong-headed belief that if our government just let everyone do whatever they wanted, everyone would basically stay at it leaving the economy unchanged. Wrong on many levels.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Why would anyone agree with this? Lockdown or not, an unchecked pandemic affects human behavior. There's some wrong-headed belief that if our government just let everyone do whatever they wanted, everyone would basically stay at it leaving the economy unchanged. Wrong on many levels.

Are you really making the argument that the lockdowns of businesses did not harm the economy?

No. I'm making the argument that an unchecked pandemic harms the economy close to equally. Find me a country that eschewed lockdowns and controlling the virus whose economy did well?

[quote]THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

No. I'm making the argument that an unchecked pandemic harms the economy close to equally.

I doubt it.

Look how economies are rebounding after the lockdowns were lifted even though (we are told) the virus is still surging and raging.

You do concede this?

Why is it that every COVID denier article is on an investment or bit coin blog/website?

And it is funny that you call out some of the medical establishment for errors as the virus was unfolding, but then cling to the guy who was monstrously wrong about the outbreak in the US claiming that our outbreak will be nothing to worry about back in March. But he just keeps coming back with his theory that the virus just naturally burns itself out with some sort of low infection rate immunity while self contradicting himself by insisting that social distancing measures are critical (but strict lockdowns are not).

And of course, Levitt is holed up on twitter right now because his theory is being eviscerated in real time. Spain had wide spread infection and should be protected by Levitt's heard immunity. But Spain is now seeing a big surge after reopening its tourist corridor from Barcelona to Madrid. His prediction that everything will be over in the US by the end of August is also being destroyed in real time. Almost three thousand deaths were reported right after his tweet and reports today are already over 700 before any reporting from TX and CA.

There is no natural burnout for the virus. The spread of the virus is completely under our control. All Levitt has observed is that there is a limit to which people will let themselves be in danger of getting the virus. When infection levels are low, people engage in risky behavior. As infection levels rise, more and more people shut down and stay home. Deprived of a host, the virus starts to lose steam. If you catch an outbreak early and shutdown, you will have much better results than if you ignore it and then just impose very minimal restrictions. That has been repeatedly documented.

Whodunit wrote:

[quote]THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

No. I'm making the argument that an unchecked pandemic harms the economy close to equally.

I doubt it.

Look how economies are rebounding after the lockdowns were lifted even though (we are told) the virus is still surging and raging.

You do concede this?

Name the economies you're talking about...They don't exist.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Whodunit wrote:

[quote]THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

No. I'm making the argument that an unchecked pandemic harms the economy close to equally.

I doubt it.

Look how economies are rebounding after the lockdowns were lifted even though (we are told) the virus is still surging and raging.

You do concede this?

Name the economies you're talking about...They don't exist.

Actually there are a few.

Small places like China, Korea, Europe