Fat hurts wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
The pretense that the Governors are calling the shots -- and all arrive at the same solution.
This comes from the Big Bosses.
Who are the Big Bosses? Can you name names?
Take a look at the top ten donors to the super pacs each year. These men contribute tens of millions -- hundreds of millions in some cases -- to super pacs each year.
See what you and report back
[quote]Fat hurts wrote:
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So yes, I'm arguing that people couldn't just look and see the effects and know there was a pandemic until the second wave hit and the newspapers started covering it. If everyone had known there was a pandemic then nobody would have shown up for that fateful parade in Philidelphia on September 28, 1918.
So you know there was a second wave? So you think people needed the newpapers to tell them about it when their families and neighbors were dropping like flies?
That was a pandemic.
This is not
A reminder to get tested today.
Test, trace, isolate. This is how we will significantly reduce COVID-19.
Wear a mask in public and social distance.
ageist wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
You say the poster is confused, and then you say they lose "low quality life," which is exactly what the poster accused you of saying.
Nope. My point was quite clear. A few months or years (and yes, low quality at that -- you think being 80 plus with several life threatening conditions is a high quality do you?) vs. several decades for young healthy people. Primarily quantity -- but also quality. Are you familiar with those words and how they have different meanings?
Do you actually read what you write? You say that you know what constitutes quality. You place yourself in the position of defining value in life. In reality, you have no idea as to what constitutes value ("quality") in life -- you say that by having to take pills for high blood pressure, or insulin for diabetes, or that by having just celebrated a 75th birthday -- one's "quality" of life is by definition less than someone else's. You think you are not making value statements? Pretty shallow.
1. My main point, which you ignore, was quantity;
2. Median age of death from Covid is 80 in America, 80 plus in all other nations. Why use 75? R U really arguing that 80 plus year olds with at least two life threatening conditions -- not high blood pressure easily controlled with pills (how disingenuous of you) -- have a high quality of life. Tell ya what, if you ever get there let me know how great it is.
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Who are the Big Bosses? Can you name names?
Take a look at the top ten donors to the super pacs each year. These men contribute tens of millions -- hundreds of millions in some cases -- to super pacs each year.
See what you and report back
Why won't you name their names?
Do you have specific allegations against them other than that they gave money and might have influence?
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
So yes, I'm arguing that people couldn't just look and see the effects and know there was a pandemic until the second wave hit and the newspapers started covering it. If everyone had known there was a pandemic then nobody would have shown up for that fateful parade in Philidelphia on September 28, 1918.
So you know there was a second wave? So you think people needed the newpapers to tell them about it when their families and neighbors were dropping like flies?
That was a pandemic.
This is not
I know if from history. You are dead wrong. Read the history.
New cases have continued to grow in the younger age groups and shrink in the older and more vulnerable age groups.
Prior to 6/7, 16% of cases were from 70+ age group. Since 6/7, they have only accounted for 6% of new cases.
brazen2 wrote:
A reminder to get tested today.
Test, trace, isolate. This is how we will significantly reduce COVID-19.
Wear a mask in public and social distance.
What would happen if we all acted like we had the virus and everyone else had the virus?
Wouldn't that slow the spread and keep us as safe as anything?
brazen2 wrote:
New cases have continued to grow in the younger age groups and shrink in the older and more vulnerable age groups.
Prior to 6/7, 16% of cases were from 70+ age group. Since 6/7, they have only accounted for 6% of new cases.
Are those Georgia stats or national?
I just like her syrup wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
A reminder to get tested today.
Test, trace, isolate. This is how we will significantly reduce COVID-19.
Wear a mask in public and social distance.
What would happen if we all acted like we had the virus and everyone else had the virus?
Wouldn't that slow the spread and keep us as safe as anything?
That would mean being selfless and caring about others. It's not something Americans are inclined to do in the Trump era.
I just like her syrup wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
A reminder to get tested today.
Test, trace, isolate. This is how we will significantly reduce COVID-19.
Wear a mask in public and social distance.
What would happen if we all acted like we had the virus and everyone else had the virus?
Wouldn't that slow the spread and keep us as safe as anything?
Those who do not do all three of the following are hurting their community by prolonging the length of the pandemic.
1) wear a face mask in public
2) social distance
3) get tested (trace and isolate)
Doing just one or two is not enough. All three need to be done.
Noko wrote:
I just like her syrup wrote:
What would happen if we all acted like we had the virus and everyone else had the virus?
Wouldn't that slow the spread and keep us as safe as anything?
Those who do not do all three of the following are hurting their community by prolonging the length of the pandemic.
1) wear a face mask in public
2) social distance
3) get tested (trace and isolate)
Doing just one or two is not enough. All three need to be done.
It is impractical and pointless to test everyone.
brazen2 wrote:
New cases have continued to grow in the younger age groups and shrink in the older and more vulnerable age groups.
Prior to 6/7, 16% of cases were from 70+ age group. Since 6/7, they have only accounted for 6% of new cases.
It is too early to conclude that there is a big demographic shift going on. Must of the shift in demographics can be attributed to opening up testing to all ages. In March and most of April, younger people were not getting tested unless they were really sick, but people over 60 were getting tested if they were exposed to a positive or started feeling some symptoms.
It may be that the current surge is due to young people going to bars and restaurants and we may end up with a shift in demographics, but that also assumes that parents and older adults are isolating themselves at much higher rates and staying away from infected young people. Other than nursing homes making big improvements in their COVID 19 measures, I am not so sure that people over the age of 50 are doing that good of a job social distancing in the states that are seeing spikes.
https://twitter.com/_stah/status/1274712807481708546Precious Roy wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
New cases have continued to grow in the younger age groups and shrink in the older and more vulnerable age groups.
Prior to 6/7, 16% of cases were from 70+ age group. Since 6/7, they have only accounted for 6% of new cases.
It is too early to conclude that there is a big demographic shift going on. Must of the shift in demographics can be attributed to opening up testing to all ages. In March and most of April, younger people were not getting tested unless they were really sick, but people over 60 were getting tested if they were exposed to a positive or started feeling some symptoms.
It may be that the current surge is due to young people going to bars and restaurants and we may end up with a shift in demographics, but that also assumes that parents and older adults are isolating themselves at much higher rates and staying away from infected young people. Other than nursing homes making big improvements in their COVID 19 measures, I am not so sure that people over the age of 50 are doing that good of a job social distancing in the states that are seeing spikes.
https://twitter.com/_stah/status/1274712807481708546
Demographics of death will not shift significantly because the IFR for those under 50 and healthy is miniscule. Cases will shift as the the vulnerable isolate more, while the younger "open up" more.
You COVID-fatalists need to get over your fixation that this is a threat outside a very specific demographic.
Since June 1st confirmed cases for 18-29 year-olds increased by 40%. 70+ age group - 15%.
Fat hurts wrote:
I know [it] from history. You are dead wrong. Read the history.
FH, did you not get the memo? GC is a troll. Why are you still responding?
Don't feed the troll!
Many more deaths than usual over the past few months, Giles. Why do you think the mortality rate is being inflated?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
40 deaths reported today.
1750 new cases - 35% in 18-29 age group.
Fat hurts wrote:
Do you have specific allegations against them other than that they gave money and might have influence?
Might have influence? Multi billionaires pouring hundreds of millions into super pacs -- might have influence?
Did you look into the top ten donors to Super Pacs?
No?
Afraid of what you will find?
brazen2 wrote:
Since June 1st confirmed cases for 18-29 year-olds increased by 40%. 70+ age group - 15%.
How many of those youngsters are sick?
Any of them?