The official (and only) Ahmaud Arbery thread

Reflection_ wrote:

The guy JOGGING at those standing by their truck has rights to HIS stand your ground laws but the guys just ACTUALLY STANDING don't have any rights?

A statement which intentionally omit facts is not a different viewpoint nor opinion...it is A LIE!!! Now why one would lie is a different discussion but any answer will almost certainly be drenched in self interest.

An example of willful omission is Travis’s action AFTER jumping from the truck and WAITING at the driver side door. I will continue to point out this FACT bc some ppl may not have read back to my previous comments disclosing such...so....

TO ANY FIRST TIME READERS OR ENGAGED INDIVIDUALS: The heavy set white guy with a shot gun known to all as Travis McMichael was not “standing”. The use of that term is to paint the legal allusion that Travis was “standing his ground”. He ran faster than a thrower to a free meal!! That hungry thrower type of speed is how Travis got from the driver’s side of the truck to the front of the truck. Why? Well no 5 year look back in his past is necessary just a few seconds...he was attempting to do on foot what he was doing in the truck...cut off Arbery’s path!

ElRunner wrote:

Hey Ward, let’s play a game. You are driving, alone, in downtown Atlanta and get lost. Siri has failed you again. You take one wrong turn after another, and before you know it, you are in the ghetto. Your car runs out of gas because the gauge is broken. You get out of your car and start walking, headed towards the gas station you saw a couple miles back. You are the only white person in the neighborhood, everyone else is black. Everyone is looking at you extra hard, wondering what you are doing in their area of town. Your looking at your phone, trying to find a gas station. Two guys start following you. You don’t know why they’re following you, but you are starting to feel really uncomfortable. They start to come up on you, so you speed up. They continue to press upon you, so you start running. You don’t know where you’re going exactly because this isn’t your area of town. They yell at you to stop. You think, no way I’m stopping for those guys! You lose them, and think you’re okay. You wonder if you should go in any of the nearby shops but people are looking at you up and down, like they don’t like what they see. So you stay on the sidewalk, out in the open. All of a sudden there is one big guy 30 feet in front of you. You’re like, “nope, not today”, and you turn around and head the only way you can, the way you came from. Your running but don’t want to cause a scene because you don’t want to draw anymore attention to yourself. 50 feet ahead you see the same two guys from earlier. One has a shot gun. What do you do?

Ward Cleaver wrote:

ElRunner wrote:

Hey Ward, let’s play a game. You are driving, alone, in downtown Atlanta and get lost. Siri has failed you again. You take one wrong turn after another, and before you know it, you are in the ghetto. Your car runs out of gas because the gauge is broken. You get out of your car and start walking, headed towards the gas station you saw a couple miles back. You are the only white person in the neighborhood, everyone else is black. Everyone is looking at you extra hard, wondering what you are doing in their area of town. Your looking at your phone, trying to find a gas station. Two guys start following you. You don’t know why they’re following you, but you are starting to feel really uncomfortable. They start to come up on you, so you speed up. They continue to press upon you, so you start running. You don’t know where you’re going exactly because this isn’t your area of town. They yell at you to stop. You think, no way I’m stopping for those guys! You lose them, and think you’re okay. You wonder if you should go in any of the nearby shops but people are looking at you up and down, like they don’t like what they see. So you stay on the sidewalk, out in the open. All of a sudden there is one big guy 30 feet in front of you. You’re like, “nope, not today”, and you turn around and head the only way you can, the way you came from. Your running but don’t want to cause a scene because you don’t want to draw anymore attention to yourself. 50 feet ahead you see the same two guys from earlier. One has a shot gun. What do you do?

Great story, really! It actually is a great example of how someone could unfortunately feel, and be absolutely frightened when in a bad situation like you depict. First thing is not to put yourself in an area that you are not comfortable with. If I would have somehow how found myself in your huge ghetto area and ran out of gas I would immediately call 911, then my RSA, I would not leave my car, and actually would not have gone deep into the ghetto area unless I was absolutely sure I knew my way around. This is also a reason it's nice to have your friends Smith & Wesson always with you when traveling.

The big difference with your example is most people with common sense know which areas to avoid and comparing an expansive ghetto area to a quiet suburban neighborhood that AA entered at his own will his like comparing oranges to ostriches!!

Ernest wrote:

Perceived deputization refers to communication from Glynn County PD in December, 2019 to Larry English (owner of the property Arberty trespassed on) and others. This was linked and cited earlier in this thread.

That communication, in part, reads;

“Your neighbour at xxx Satilla Drive is Greg McMichael. Greg is retired law enforcement and also a retired investigator from the DA’s office. He said please call him day or night when you get action on your camera. His number is..."

Legal reactions:

"It appears that Gregory McMichael had been informally ‘deputized’ by the Glynn County Police Department.”

-Beth Graddy, Attorney for Larry English

“We believe this communication deputized a group of untrained men in the Satilla Shores community to hunt down suspected trespassers, causing the events of Feb. 23, 2020”

- S. Lee Merritt, one of two attorneys representing Arbery’s family

Ronald Dump wrote:

Some heavy schyt right here. Is there any legal grounds for Barney Fife-ing these two yahoos or is this something you just pulled out of thin air?

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Reflection_ wrote:

A statement which intentionally omit facts is not a different viewpoint nor opinion...it is A LIE!!! Now why one would lie is a different discussion but any answer will almost certainly be drenched in self interest.

An example of willful omission is Travis’s action AFTER jumping from the truck and WAITING at the driver side door. I will continue to point out this FACT bc some ppl may not have read back to my previous comments disclosing such...so....

TO ANY FIRST TIME READERS OR ENGAGED INDIVIDUALS: The heavy set white guy with a shot gun known to all as Travis McMichael was not “standing”. The use of that term is to paint the legal allusion that Travis was “standing his ground”. He ran faster than a thrower to a free meal!! That hungry thrower type of speed is how Travis got from the driver’s side of the truck to the front of the truck. Why? Well no 5 year look back in his past is necessary just a few seconds...he was attempting to do on foot what he was doing in the truck...cut off Arbery’s path!

I have watched numerous video clips of what you are trying to say happened and the only one I see running is AA, and it IS him that made the hard turn and went at TM in the front of that truck. If you have a video showing TM sprinting anywhere around his truck PLEASE POST YOUR EVIDENCE.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/video-shows-killing-ahmaud-arbery-200510112554110.html

Reflection_ wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

I have watched numerous video clips of what you are trying to say happened and the only one I see running is AA, and it IS him that made the hard turn and went at TM in the front of that truck. If you have a video showing TM sprinting anywhere around his truck PLEASE POST YOUR EVIDENCE.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/video-shows-killing-ahmaud-arbery-200510112554110.html

Thanks for your reply!

Your lies are in your own comment! This convenient ignorance does not work with me. I can stick to facts. Great!

Your lie #1 there isn’t numerous video clips of Arbery being killed. There is only one!

My mistake - I meant I have watched this same video footage scene from numerous different news outlets and some have shown just s a few seconds of what I have shared above, and many are showing exactly what I have shared above. My impression of what happened has not changed once no matter how many times I have watched and paused and rewound and watched it again and again. It is not at all what I expected to see after what I first heard about this incident on the radio.

Your lie #2 you said Travis was just standing which means at the drivers side door and Arbery came at him in front of the truck. How does me saying "The guy JOGGING at those standing by their truck has rights to HIS stand your ground laws but the guys just ACTUALLY STANDING don't have any rights?" indicate to you WHERE I said TM was standing? Bottom line, YOU state "He ran faster than a thrower to a free meal!!" and I just can not see, in the video posted, TM sprinting at any point - SORRY, I JUST DO NOT SEE IT!

You have said that Arbery was no jogger which is not up for debate.

PLEASE show me where I have ever questioned if, or if not, AA was a "jogger".

What is also not up for debate is that Arbery has no gravitational force pulling chubby white men with shotguns towards him... Do you not see AA jogging on the right hand side of the truck and then charging hard to his left at TM? Or, could you forward me the video YOU are viewing so I can try and understand what you are seeing?

so the fact you consistently and conveniently avoid mentioning is anything relating to how do Travis get from the drivers side door to the front of the vehicle?

I'm guessing he went left right left right with his feet and some people say that is walking or taking steps, but you can call it sprinting if that makes you feel better about how he moved a few steps.

Since you definitely SEE that...you are dismissed! Like I have said repeatedly, there is some missing and blocked footage in that video so I definitely can NOT say exactly what happened and with out sound it also makes it hard to understand what exactly is going on, sorry!

NOW TO GENIUE PEOPLE: Look at the Zone video (where can I find the "Zone video")....I will restate at around 11 seconds Arbery is a good distance away from the truck and sees Travis with the shot gun by the drivers side door and pops in the bed of the truck. To avoid both of them.... To avoid both of them he should have taken an extreme hard left when he first saw them while approaching that curve and bolted between the homes. Or, stopped and answered their questions.

he than redirects his path away from Travis’s side and goes around the opposite side this occurs around 13s. TRAVIS confronts Arbery, TRAVIS runs from the drivers side to the front of the truck to the front (notice this is where the physical encounter started NOT at Travis’s original location by the drivers side door).

I definitely need to watch your zone video, because the video I'm watching shows AA RUNNING at TM who I assume moved from his door to the front DRIVER's Side corner of his truck while AA jogged around the opposite side of the truck. I DO NOT see him sprint at AA to confront AA. Sorry that my video is apparently different from yours, but I'm willing to change my opinion if you can show me a different video or still shots from your video that show TM over on the passenger side of the truck where AA is last seen jogging on my video.