Team Jenny wrote:
The contact was hardly enough to impede Shannon.
It was enough to prevent her from passing Simpson. Simpson stuck out her arm and turned her palm backward precisely to hinder Rowbury. The argument that it wasn't that much of a contact or that this is just racing is stupid. Look, even if there had been no contact, it does not change the fact that simpson pulled a Dayron Robles. I'm not saying this makes her a bad person, but this is what happened. I know it, even you know it.
Fais Do wrote:
Team Jenny wrote:The contact was hardly enough to impede Shannon.
It was enough to prevent her from passing Simpson. Simpson stuck out her arm and turned her palm backward precisely to hinder Rowbury. The argument that it wasn't that much of a contact or that this is just racing is stupid. Look, even if there had been no contact, it does not change the fact that simpson pulled a Dayron Robles. I'm not saying this makes her a bad person, but this is what happened. I know it, even you know it.
fvcking IDIOT
when you try to pass on the inside of lane one, and the person you're trying to pass IS IN LANE ONE, EXPECT CONTACT
moron
Ok. You're logic is obviously clouded by your passion, and your difficulty in communicating. Contact occurred not because they were both in lane 1. It occurred because Simpson did an arm block. It was a spur of the moment frustration move that we have seen hundreds and hundreds of times. It has occurred in high school meets. It has occurred in World Championships, and occasionally, it is caught on camera. It wasn't because she was off balance , it wasn't because "this is racing", and it wasn't because I don't know anything about track and field. It was due to frustration and not wanting to get passed.
It was 50/50. Simpson put her arm out and Rowbury tried to rugby tackle her.
Just glad no one behind got hurt. I hope this falling at the line do not become a new fad.
In workouts, when you are running two abreast in a lane, it is very common to hook an arm or come in contact with the other runner, just because of normal variation, slightly wrong step, and when you are very tired and pushing for the end that might happen, but someone trying to pass from the inside cannot be fouled by the leader swinging her arm slightly further to the left--Rowbury, after all, ran into that, and she was herself swinging her arm out. But the fact that this debate is going through over 160 posts, whereas there aren't long discussions about what this DL championship means for Simpson's ability, say, in American running history or whatnot, says something about what a failure to attend to what is important.
Its as simple as two runners coming close to each other. Jenny's arm was going back, Shannon's was coming forward. They both met(the arms, that is) and for a brief moment, wrapped around each others. Then jenny's arm moves forward, and Shannon's, backward. Its how we all run......forward, backward...
growbur wrote:
Please see my screen captures before making a conclusion.
https://www.facebook.com/Growbur
Seeing those photos, especially the second one, reminds me of my impression at the time of the race, which is that when Simpson went down, she swiped Rowbury's foot with her hand or arm, causing Shannon to fall. I wonder if there are any closeups that can verify this one way or the other.
I didn't read the whole thread but I don't see anyone addressing that any inside pass that draws contact, unless the leading runner mover outside of his/her lane, should be an automatic DQ to the passing runner. As soon as there was contact, by the rules, Rowbury should have been DQ'd. Done. Over. No debate. Check the rules.
no
Fais Do wrote:
Team Jenny wrote:The contact was hardly enough to impede Shannon.
It was enough to prevent her from passing Simpson. Simpson stuck out her arm and turned her palm backward precisely to hinder Rowbury. The argument that it wasn't that much of a contact or that this is just racing is stupid. Look, even if there had been no contact, it does not change the fact that simpson pulled a Dayron Robles. I'm not saying this makes her a bad person, but this is what happened. I know it, even you know it.
What is stupid is implying that a mere swipe from Jenny was enough to stop the momentum of Shannon passing her.
Have you ever run a race? Ever had contact in a race? Maybe you are just frail and having someone contact your arm is enough to hold you back.
sayer of no wrote:
no
So you didn't bother checking the rules then. In races not run in lanes, the only way to be dq'd is to move OUTSIDE so as to impede another runner or to to move inside so that you step on the inside edge of the lane or completely off the track. Once you have established position in lane one, the whole lane is yours. If someone passes on the inside when the leading runner is in lane one, the lead runner has a right to move to the inside of lane one. If the trailing runner causes contact by running up on the leading runner, it is they who earn the dq.
The officials at the meet have made their decision on this. No DQ.
Let it go
Rules are Rules wrote:
So you didn't bother checking the rules then. In races not run in lanes, the only way to be dq'd is to move OUTSIDE so as to impede another runner or to to move inside so that you step on the inside edge of the lane or completely off the track. Once you have established position in lane one, the whole lane is yours. If someone passes on the inside when the leading runner is in lane one, the lead runner has a right to move to the inside of lane one. If the trailing runner causes contact by running up on the leading runner, it is they who earn the dq.
Rowbury was beside Simpson at the moment this happened, not behind her.
Jenny crossed the line ahead of Shannon. When was Shannon beside her? The times don't lie.
Team Jenny wrote:
What is stupid is implying that a mere swipe from Jenny was enough to stop the momentum of Shannon passing her.
Have you ever run a race? Ever had contact in a race? Maybe you are just frail and having someone contact your arm is enough to hold you back.
If you have watched the video and still come to the conclusion that the contact did not change the outcome of the race, then sorry, you are beyond help.
Also, I forgot I'm dealing with the Letsrun 140 IQ crowd, so I should expect gems such as "Maybe you are just frail and having someone contact your arm is enough to hold you back" as part of a rebuttal.
Fais Do wrote:
If you have watched the video and still come to the conclusion that the contact did not change the outcome of the race, then sorry, you are beyond help.
will you shut the fvck up already
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
it is very common to hook an arm or come in contact with the other runner, just because of normal variation,
Great. Too bad that is not what happened here. That was not normal variation. Find me another instance where Simpson swings her arm wide on the back swing and points her palm slightly backward?
I'll be waiting. Meanwhile, here is another instance of normal variation from another athlete in a similar I'm about to be passed by someone situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-LPLMG12PUJenny won the diving competition. Awesome
Oh wait, that was a track race.
Hmmm
why am I so shocked that JBS gave an interview to lrc? Honest question.
It's like fanboys getting to meet the movie star.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/08/qa-dl-champion-jenny-simpson-win-zurich/
she says she was tripped by rowbury.
