Justin Gatlin 9.74 letting up - Are you kidding me?

Spammer wrote:

The not-so-secret thing that Gatlin has got is exfuse, he claims he won't race without it. After Doha, Usain add this to his daily supplement list too:

http://www.healthyseven.com/greenzilla_energy.htm

That was a typo, I meant that Bolt had better order some too. Not that he has started taking it already.

TrackCoach wrote:

420Mile wrote:

It's ALWAYS impressive when a two-time drug cheat champion can run one of the fastest times ever. Kudos to Gatlin for showing us all how long PED benefits can last. Hats off to the guy.

Do you seriously think Gatlin in benefiting from PEDs he took a decade ago?

This theory would imply not just that he's still benefiting from prior use but that the benefits have increased over time. He's running faster now than he was then. Doesn't stand up to the least bit of scrutiny.

Hey chump, you want some research?

Blake 9.69 BUSTED

Gay 9.69 BUSTED

Powell 9.72 BUSTED

Gatlin 9.74 BUSTED

Montgomery 9.78 BUSTED

Johnson 9.79 BUSTED

Greene 9.79 BUSTED

Mullings 9.80 BUSTED

Bolt is dirty as hell but cannot be busted because everybody's payday depends on his name.

The fastest guys who have any hope of having been clean start at 9.84--Bailey, Surin, Burrell, Lewis, Fredericks, Boldon. You be the judge.

And don't slice the baloney--busted is busted.

prove it

Blazing saddles wrote:

Mostly I want to say to you that before you go and blindly label anyone amongst elite sprinters as dirty do a little research like actually watch elite athletes practice and observe things up close. I know of more than a few elite athletes that have done it totally clean. This topic makes me want to scream so loud to everyone who calls themselves fans of the sport - shut up with false accusations and unless you have real suspicions then don't make them.

Gay also deserves scorn for his choices and is suffering from them. But look a little closer before accusing a guy based on nothing,

What bothers me is the anti-Americanism on this website, to the point that I'm starting to refer to Robert Johnson as Jane Fonda:

(1) A week before Gatlin ran 9.74, Asafa Powell ran 9.84 in Jamaica. Powell had a 16 month drug ban that was cut to 6 months after he and Sherone Simpson got drugs from a Canadian trainer named Chris Zuereb. Powell and Simpson were kicked off the MVP Club by Steve Francis (the MVP coach and no relation to Charlie), and Powell is now being coached in the USA by his brother. BOTH Asafa Powell and his brother Donovan have received drug bans.

Why are people not up in arms about Asafa Powell?

If you are going to complain about Gay's 1 year ban (for helping authorities), why are you not complaining about Powell's 6 month ban?

Why are you not talking about Veronica Campbell Brown's "drug ban" that disappeared on appeal (a PR stunt by JADCO when WADA was coming to get them)?

(2) At the same that Jane Fonda was posting some BS about how Bolt could be clean because he was some freak of nature (never mind that Yohan Blake running almost the same times blew that piece of logic out of the water), WADA was looking at THIS:

It is not "lax" drug testing in Jamaica. It is NO drug testing. At the time Bolt and others won those medals in London, the Jamaicans were doing NO drug testing. Bolt isn't even the issue. The WHOLE corrupt country of Jamaica is the issue. Of course, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TEST POSITIVE WHEN YOUR COUNTRY HAS NO ANTI-DOPING PROGRAM.

Please show me the letsrun coverage of the Jamaican no testing policy?

(3) From the Wikipedia page on doping in athletics, I count 33 total drug bans in Jamaica and 83 in the USA. On a per capita basis, there are more than 50 TIMES THE DOPING POSITIVES IN JAMAICA THAN IN THE USA, and more than 10 times the doping positives in Jamaica than any other track power?

Please show me where letsrun (or anybody on this website other than me) has covered this issue?

(4) In Kenya in just the last 2 years, almost as many people have tested positive for drugs as have ever tested positive in Jamaica:

When you combine this with the Russians and Turks, it looks to me that distance running is vastly more corrupt than sprinting, throwing or any other part of track and field--and there are now numbers to back that up. When is letsrun going to cover the depth of this issue?

And if you cannot answer these questions, please explain why this website should not be forcibly shut down due to the total lack of integrity of the owners.

Gatlin gun wrote:

Swag Lord wrote:

You also never went sub 10

Yes, I actually did.

OK, here's a list of all the people who have ever gone sub-10:

It lists the age they were when they did it, and also the year they achieved their best time. I'm not seeing anybody who fits the profile of a guy who was either a) 33 years old when they first broke 10, or b) broke 10 earlier, but achieved their best time at age 33.

Unless, of course, you actually are Justin Gatlin. Or you're Linford Christie, posting on LetsRun at "Gatlin gun".

I was surprised Asafa's run didn't garner more attention here .. 9.84 in early May is awesome .. but he had a +ve wind of something like 1.7 or 1.8, no? And he hardly ran a PB. And he didn't miss 4 years of competition. What was Powell busted for taking?

And if you cannot answer these questions, please explain why this website should not be forcibly shut down due to the total lack of integrity of the owners.

The site is hardly "anti-American". It's anti-Some-People-For-No-Apparent-Reason"

They tend to not call Tyson Gay "Drug Cheat Tyson Gay", whereas you're hard pressed to find any reference to Mary Slaney without that prefix attached. It's bizarre.

Who is supposed to "forcibly shut down" the website?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

rojo wrote:

I actually don't believe this. In my mind, he was really caught once. His college thing was a joke. He was taking ADHD medicine and got busted for that.

It's a stimulant and he was using it during a race and was therefore doping. He gave some bs lie the 2nd time so for all we know was taking his meds knowingly for the race

One thing for sure to me ..he is still doping just not getting caught

Of course you make excuses for Gay as well and don't refer to him as a doper or cheat on your front page like you would if he was Russian. Biased reporting purely because he is Amercan and a 'nice guy'

I going to assuming you are either joking or being contrary to get a lot of responses. Either way, I am going to bite.

No body is more critical of American athletes than the folks on this board; they believe everybody is doping. I have actually seen posters accusing 17 yo Mary Cain of doping and you have been on this board long enough to know that. And,m Gatlin and Gay are not well liked on this board. Btw, I have coached several athletes with ADHD and have seen no (zero) evidence that it improves performance, in fact most of the athletes choose not to take their medicine when competing. Perhaps as someone said, ADHD in high dosages might be to a PED, I don't know about that other than to say most kids don't like taking the medicine and taking extra dosages would be unlikely. Gay and Gatlin are ex-dopers and I don't believe it was inadvertent...they cheated...period. However, the other facts do matter.

1. Notwithstanding the lab rats, you will never-ever convince me or anyone that knows doping that an athlete can benefit from a chemical that was in their system a decade ago. Bodybuilders know far more about doping than runners and I have been told and I know from first hand knowledge that the benefits of doping decline within months and year later, there are no appreciable benefits. I have watched bodybuilders and athletes lose speed, endurance, muscle mass and strength at an amazing rate once they stop doping.

Gatlin's first doping offense was unfair and could have been overturned if there had been an attempt to do so. Since he only received a slap on the wrist, everyone in his camp decided to let it go and move on. It only becomes an issue because he got busted again.

Gatlin is extremely talented, if you search through old threads on this board, you will find posts where people were predicting he was going to break world records. He was nearly as fast as Bromell at year younger, but with no were near the technique. (He overstrided and still does at times.) Also, doping made Gatlin bigger and stronger, but it did not improve his acceleration. Gatlin believes doping didn't help him, the bulk perhaps slowed him down. He continued training during his suspension and was running pretty much the same times in training clean. 90% of athletes with a 4 year suspension in their mid-20s would have retired. The thing that kelp him going was he knew he could run just as fast clean and he wanted to come back and prove it. - I know this because I heard him say it.

In terms of his age, his body has the wear and tear of a younger athlete for obvious reasons.

TrackCoach wrote:

... The thing that kelp him going was he knew he could run just as fast clean and he wanted to come back and prove it. - I know this because I heard him say it ... .

You wrote all that and then ^THIS^?

Drug testing is nothing more than an IQ test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1FkkZ9dzM

Jason Blaha wrote:

Drug testing is nothing more than an IQ test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1FkkZ9dzM

And the Russians don't know what they're doing?

TrackCoach wrote:

doping made Gatlin bigger and stronger, but it did not improve his acceleration.

WTF?

What is "acceleration" composed of?

Why is strength training, which increases the strength-to-body-weight-ratio of sprinters, so useful?

Why is doping, which improves the results of strength training, so useful?

Oh, Gatlin is just one of those guys who was super-talented and would have run world record times anyway; he chose to try doping just for the heck of it.

Fact is they need to isotope test him in

next training block . Gatlin gone...

But iaaf dont do that wonder why.

regardless of fact jamicans could use

serious steroids previously cant now.

so doping like all others and for bolt

and others should be still enough

but if like yohann blake then different

story as needed the serious gear and

will struggle with current dope to come close to before.

As doesnt have natural strength

or height/stride length as powell,bolt,gatlin

to get him there on such dope.

Him and bailey strutting around with all

that water weight from testosterone used

during winter.

joking me that bailey isnt out and out

doper ..without igf-1 aint happening ....

show me pre this peptide a sub 9.90

Sprinter this heavy..........joking me

Just think. If PED's were legalized (or marginalized like NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Swimming, FIFA, Cricket, Rugby, CFL, etc.) These topics would cease to exist. Damn that PBA, bowling is easier to promote then tack and field i reckon....

MLB is pretty tough now. Afraud got a season for being on a list and admitting to doing it. The first offense is now a half a season. Hockey doesn't test, neither does the CFL. Both leagues are asking for PED abuse. The NFL is joke with a quarter season suspension. Also if you look at who fails the tests stars to journeymen fail.

Gatlin and Gay tested positive for Testosterone and Steroids!!!

Asafa and Sherone tested for minor crappy tainted supplement that is legal to take on every other day. They proved their case before CAS and even got USADA to issue a warning about it. Their lawsuit against the supplement manufacturer is going through the courts so this will make news soon.

Your attempt to mudddy waters and try an equate Gatlin and Gay positives to those by Asafa and Sherone proves the type of fraud you guys are.

Blake actually tested positive again from tainted supplement that wasn't even on the banned list. Blake shouldn't have even gotten a day suspension based on the facts. They didn't bother going to CAS because the ban was already 3 months.

Whats so funny is the supposed Jamaican authorities that does no testing were the ones that actually produced all these positives.

jklsdflkjasdkjlf wrote:

Why do sprinters let up all the time. They must be able to tell they're having a really good race. Just go till the line.

this

Sal Maglie wrote:

Gatlin gun wrote:

Yes, I actually did.

OK, here's a list of all the people who have ever gone sub-10:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-second_barrier

It lists the age they were when they did it, and also the year they achieved their best time. I'm not seeing anybody who fits the profile of a guy who was either a) 33 years old when they first broke 10, or b) broke 10 earlier, but achieved their best time at age 33.

Unless, of course, you actually are Justin Gatlin. Or you're Linford Christie, posting on LetsRun at "Gatlin gun".

None of the above. I break 10 every time I stop running before 10 seconds are up. Dummy.