SIFAN HASSAN BREAKS WOMEN’S MILE WR

Beast mode arm work on the last many hundreds of meters.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Amazing that her range goes from 1500 to the half at the same time. Other athletes in history have graduated and changed training but Hassan is the first, I believe, to do it all in the same year. I was surprised by Caroline Kipkirui last year who hammered the half in the winter then competed at a very high level down to 3000 in the summer but this is next level.

Mary Decker was ranked number 1 in the world from 800m to 10000m all in the same year. So it’s not totally unusually. Farah was insane from 1500m to 10000m.

Unfortunately, they are all connected to big AL!

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The half is a different step to my way of thinking, double the 10000 and on the road. i have only run 14k (of course, not elite) but it needed a different state of mind at what it put my body through. Also the half seems this last 18 months to have more focus on it and acceptance among the best, especially on the women's side.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Amazing that her range goes from 1500 to the half at the same time. Other athletes in history have graduated and changed training but Hassan is the first, I believe, to do it all in the same year. I was surprised by Caroline Kipkirui last year who hammered the half in the winter then competed at a very high level down to 3000 in the summer but this is next level.

Mary Decker was ranked number 1 in the world from 800m to 10000m all in the same year. So it’s not totally unusually. Farah was insane from 1500m to 10000m.

Unfortunately, they are all connected to big AL!

: (

Also, it seems 1982 was the only year Slaney led the 10000. Weak competition that year, like 2003 when Berhane Adere was number one.

Jessen jeffla wrote:

Must be on some ghost pepper sauce.

People see WR but you wouldn't assume doping if someone ran a mile in the men's in 3:48.

Dibaba WR for 1500m is worth 4:08.

4:12 is worth 3:54 and she's already run 3;55xxx. There is no sudden red flag from this performance

Also she was a refugee at 15 not someone bought by a dodgy middle East county.

Bad Wigins wrote:

besides all the dope talk, has anyone pointed out that this record was soft, the equivalent of 3:54, which has been either ran or is well within the reach of several current elites. So this is Hassan improving slightly from the 3:55 where she lost to Dibaba, who would have broken 4:10 after her 3:50 effort had been a mile instead.

Exactly

So if my son wants to take up athletics he should put his health at risk by doping?

Would I want my son to be a runner when he's older if he has to put his health at risk doping in order to be competitive?

That's what cheats have done to this sport.

She has improved under Salazar over 1500m by only 0.13 of a second.

Any athlete would consider an improvement of 0.13 seconds a tremendous success.

Not Gonna Do It wrote:

malmo wrote:

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400 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 1:04.26 1:04.26

800 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 2:08.20 1:06.94

1200 NED HASSAN Sifan 3:10.13 1:01.93

Which means she ran the final 409m in 1:02.20

The first split is for 409 meters, her last split is for 400 meters. I would think that you knew that.

Its the last split that includes the extra 9 meters, not the first one.

watch the video here.

You can see saying 400m (and not 409m), but most importantly you can see the lap time showing up before they cross the finish line.

edit : seems i cannot post the youtube link, because im a new user.

search youtube for that

Women 1 Mile Sifan HASSAN 4.12.33 WORLD RECORD Monaco Diamond League 2019 Herculis

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Jessen jeffla wrote:

Must be on some ghost pepper sauce.

People see WR but you wouldn't assume doping if someone ran a mile in the men's in 3:48.

Dibaba WR for 1500m is worth 4:08.

4:12 is worth 3:54 and she's already run 3;55xxx. There is no sudden red flag from this performance

Also she was a refugee at 15 not someone bought by a dodgy middle East county.

And you think the Dibaba wr is clean?

Not Gonna Do It wrote:

malmo wrote:

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400 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 1:04.26 1:04.26

800 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 2:08.20 1:06.94

1200 NED HASSAN Sifan 3:10.13 1:01.93

Which means she ran the final 409m in 1:02.20

The first split is for 409 meters, her last split is for 400 meters. I would think that you knew that.

If you would have bothered to check first you would have known the splits were correct.

Thank goodness for anonymity, right.

Depends on how much she had left in the tank.

CDA wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

How can I find the splits for this race? I want to compare them to the splits from Dibaba's 3:50 and get an idea of whether or not Dibaba could have broken the record had she run 109 meters farther.

Do you really need to see splits to confirm Dibaba could have run 109 m farther at 5:20 mile pace? She probably was under 4:12 as she went on her victory lap!

Bad Wigins wrote:

besides all the dope talk, has anyone pointed out that this record was soft, the equivalent of 3:54, which has been either ran or is well within the reach of several current elites. So this is Hassan improving slightly from the 3:55 where she lost to Dibaba, who would have broken 4:10 after her 3:50 effort had been a mile instead.

It was soft but it did stand for 23 yrs - set by Svetlana Masterkova back in 1996. Masterkova, a 3:57/1:55 800/1500 specialist was Russia's best mid-d runner in the 90s. She had a tremendous 96 winning double-gold at Atlanta, setting the mile WR and also setting the very seldom contested 1000 WR.

what could have been wrote:

I never heard why Dibaba dropped out. Does anyone know?

OFF THE JUICE

That's a question for you and your son, because that is a personal choice. Everyone has their own position and view, so we are not her to copy or follow one another. I'm generally stating that athletes dope, a large percentage of them are doping, and I don't have a problem with it. I simply view it as entertainment. I am more concerned about a priest raping boys than I am about an athlete ingesting a substance to run faster or beat his competitor.

The majority of the work population dope every morning before going to work, when they go get their dosage of caffeine. What does caffeine do? It allows one to UNNATURALLY stay awake, to focus,so that one can do his job, so that is a performance enhancer. When people go to the doctor and ask for a prescription to be able to focus better ,or to concentrate, that is doping . It's just that one is acceptable over the other. Society is something else, isn't it? Something being legal or illegal is simply based on a vote of opinions - just look at Cannabis. It has now been legalized. Is it any different than it was 30 or 50 years ago? No. So what changed? The perception towards the substance changed, just the perception towards liquor changed, even that is changing. Millennials are preferring not to drink liquor, and are opting more for cannabis drinks and cannabis based energy drinks.

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It's all about perception, which is why sports organization are looking into possibly making HGH legal for recovery and healing purposes when a player is out injured.

You even have it where one substance is legal in one sport, but illegal in another.

So the difference between illegal and legal, is just a matter of human perception, because that is how laws are made or what they are based on.

Not Gonna Do It wrote:

malmo wrote:

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400 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 1:04.26 1:04.26

800 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 2:08.20 1:06.94

1200 NED HASSAN Sifan 3:10.13 1:01.93

Which means she ran the final 409m in 1:02.20

The first split is for 409 meters, her last split is for 400 meters. I would think that you knew that.

Pretty sure the first split is 400m and the last one is 409m. Watching the race the splits were going off at the start line

This attitude is part of the problem. The public perception that doping isn’t so bad. Come on, drug cheats are taking money away from clean athletes. Doping is a form of theft and fraud.

Re: the legalization of hGH, do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that sports authorities will give it the “ok” when it clearly meets two of the criteria for being banned 1). The potential to enhance performance and 2). Health risks (increased risk of diabetes and Hodgkin’s Lymphoma). It is also illegal for hGH to be prescribed for off-label use. Athletes are obviously still getting it somehow, but I don’t see why WADA would ever un-ban it.

The only type of drug that is illegal in some sports and not in others are beta-blockers (banned in archery, golf, shooting, ski jumping, and some others). Beta-blockers lower heart rate, and reduce tremors, which helps in sports that require concentration and accuracy, like those above. They probably wouldn’t help in running, which is why they’re not banned.