Runner wearing earbuds beats up mountain biker outside of Golden, Co

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7 years ago 03/30/2017 3:35pm EDT

re: Tron

Tron wrote:
Mark L Schroeder wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that this biker got physically attacked. I live in Boulder, and the truth is, however, that mountain bikers typically are the aggressors on trails. They expect runners to move off the trails, they often don't ride in single file, etc. etc. I have been pushed off a trail twice by a team of mountain bikers, and almost came to blows once with one of them....Don't even get me started on how fat-tire bikers have destroyed XC-skiing trails....
As an avid mountain biker, surprised to be reading the comments about the distain for bikers here. Maybe i'm lucky to live around where there are great mountain bike trails and hiking trails but have never seen conflict or actions i'm reading here. i'm sure incidents happen especially on the shared trails but seems like most people are aware of etiquette on the trails.
In winter i'm surprised you wouldn't have x-country and fatbike trails and separate entities. Here all the x-country trails don't allow fatbike and there are specific trails for fatbiking

Most conflict is asymmetrical. Many times the 'source' of the conflict has no idea that their actions are perceived negatively by others.

As an example, it someone (as a biker or runner) surprises/startles a walker when they pass the walker, the biker/runner may have no clue that their action was perceived as a negative.

Also conflict can be real or perceived. Normally conflict is only perceived, and it rarely escalates to gestures, words or physical contact.

Either way its still conflict.

As a runner (or biker) almost everyone can remember a time when they perceived conflict. (Example: being startled and or scared by a car as they gun their engine or pass too closely). Most of the time the person experiencing the conflict never gives an indication that they were upset by something.

Not condoning the runner's actions in this case, but at least he warned the biker that he experienced conflict before it escalated.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 3:37pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Are you for real? Because in your story, you are quite clearly the b!tch. He literally had $20 to gain by taking your money and nothing to lose. How does taking a free twenty bucks suggest that he has no money? Also, how does you have money make you top dog anyway? I can think of lots of impotent man children with money.
Trust me, he knew he was emasculated. Remember that he yelled at me "Don't put your hands up!" and he figured that would be the end of it...him telling me how it would be. Nope. I backed out and followed him and got out of my car, approached him and told him he was having a bad day. That shocked him right there, and he was VERY surprised that I did that. He was quaking in his boots right then, not knowing what I was going to do. I TOLD him then to have a better day and that I was going to help with that. That's when I gave him $20. That interaction ended the way I chose for it to end, not the way he chose for it to end, and he accepted $20 from me like a beggar...a pat on the head is what he got. I could tell he didn't want to take the money, but because he has no pride, he did. I won, and he knew it. "Come on, take it...you know you want to...you know that you really need to take this money and that it means so little to me that I will give it to you. Made him less of a man that day.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 4:33pm EDT

re: wtfwtf

Thinking that he has no money because he accepted your $20 is like thinking he has no game because he accepted a night with your wife.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 4:56pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Brocephus wrote:
Cool story bro.
When you say it emascualted him, did he like pee himself or something? Or how do you really know? We need to be sure about this otherwise you may have just encouraged his behavior.
Like when an alpha male lion (other guy) encounters a beta male (that'd be you) sniffing around the women lions, and smacks him down. Then the beta male (you again) makes sure to crawl off into the weeds whenever alpha male (other guy) comes around. You may have just reinforced his behavior.
Next time make it $50, or else.
Nah, this was the case to two alpha males...one educated and smart and the other not. I out-Alpha-ed him with wit. Don't forget that I followed him and approached him. Beta males don't do that. He thought I was going to get into a war of words with him, but he was emasculated because he was offered $20 to feel better, and he took it from me like a beggar. If someone did that to me, I would say, "No thanks, brother, you keep that and help your mother get her teeth fixed." :) Actually, I wouldn't say the mother part, because I'm not jerky like that, but I would not take the money. Alpha males don't p*ss out and take money from someone in that situation. Basically it let him know what the pecking order was...I had money...he didn't. I win. So, he was emasculated as soon as he reached for it.

Flagpole. Over the years I have come to enjoy all of your posts on here. From any advice you give to your definition of what a real man is, I loved it all. However, this is it. This is the post that turned me. You sound like a straight up idiot. Basically the story was, "this guy didn't wait for me to back out so I followed him and gave him 20 dollars." What kind of weird passive-aggressive crap is that? 20 dollars? I don't care how much money I ever make, but if someone hands me 20 dollars, I'll take it for any reason.

I think you came out worse from this story, and you paid 20 dollars to do so. For your sake, I hope this story is fake.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 5:23pm EDT

re: brogan1

An interesting perspective, as in most cases cyclists are in their comfort zone and do feel the danger of them flying by as a runner does without a bike. They perceive a runner as in the way at all costs.

I would bet most cyclists are the offenders of getting to close or pushing the runners out of the way as Ive experienced in and around Boulder. Road bikers are even worse.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 5:53pm EDT

re: One sided

Bikers are the worst. If I'm on this jury, benefit of the doubt goes to the pedestrian, who has the right of way, and was likely acting in self defense.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 5:57pm EDT

re: Stomp his bike too next time

You guys probably can't even ride a bike.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:03pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Trust me, he knew he was emasculated. Remember that he yelled at me "Don't put your hands up!" and he figured that would be the end of it...him telling me how it would be. Nope. I backed out and followed him and got out of my car, approached him and told him he was having a bad day. That shocked him right there, and he was VERY surprised that I did that. He was quaking in his boots right then, not knowing what I was going to do. I TOLD him then to have a better day and that I was going to help with that. That's when I gave him $20. That interaction ended the way I chose for it to end, not the way he chose for it to end, and he accepted $20 from me like a beggar...a pat on the head is what he got. I could tell he didn't want to take the money, but because he has no pride, he did. I won, and he knew it. "Come on, take it...you know you want to...you know that you really need to take this money and that it means so little to me that I will give it to you. Made him less of a man that day.

No offense bro, but you sound like the homeless guy who starts getting up in some random tourists face blabbering nonsense, then reaches down, grabs a turd off the ground and starts smashing it in his face it in front of the horrified tourists. Imagine that guy, and then imagine him walking away thinking "I showed them who the real ALPHA is on this street."

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:06pm EDT

re: Not Buying It

Colo runner wrote:
The whole thing is a one sided account, here is what probably happened. The man was running in the middle of the trail, the mnt biker came up behind the man and rang his bell, the man moved out of the way, the mnt biker was frustrated that he had to show down so he shook his head at the man after he passed. The man told him not to shake his head at him. The mnt biker responded back with profanity and words were exchanged. Later the mnt biker coming back towards the man was purposely riding on the side of the trail that the man was running on, basically running him off the trail, but instead of moving the man shoved the biker, the biker wrecked and went home to tell a very one sided story.

That's exactly what happened.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:23pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
He yells, "Don't put your hands up!"
I then handed him $20.

What would I have to yell at you to get $10,000 bucks?

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:25pm EDT

re: Brocephus

Brocephus wrote:
Bro, he verbally slapped you down and then you followed him around so you could give him money? I'm not quite sure how you have convoluted this in your mind to convince yourself that you are alpha here, but that dude owned you twice over. Beta move. Did you offer him a night with your wife as well?

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:34pm EDT

re: Flagpole

If you show him that it means nothing to you, the incident, then you win, in a sense, but if you see what you did as getting him back and WINNING, then you are exactly in the same game, just adopting different means, and living out of ressentiment even years later with the thrill of this opposite 'victory'. Far better to show that you are man enough to get past such an event right then and forget about it the next day.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 7:40pm EDT

re: Stomp his bike too next time

Stomp his bike too next time wrote:
Bikers are the worst. If I'm on this jury, benefit of the doubt goes to the pedestrian, who has the right of way, and was likely acting in self defense.

I was running down a wide half mile running/bike lane at the side of a busy road, and saw a biker hunched over coming up from the bottom, both of us in the middle of the lane but quite a ways apart at that point. As we got closer, I moved to the right of the lane right next to the road, and the biker did the same thing. I moved to the left and he likewise moved to the same side, aiming straight at me. I moved back to the right, and he again moved to the same side that I was on, right next to the road and he was almost to me at that point.

I jumped into the road to avoid getting hit, and he continued on right through where I was. Still hunched over, he turned his head toward me and snarled, "Get the F....."

At that point I pushed him hard with both arms, nearly pushing him off the road on the other side of the lane. He was wobbling back and forth on the bike, barely caught his balance before falling over on his a**, and yelled wtf?? !!!!

I took off heading back down the lane, half expecting him to turn around and catch up to me, which would have been a really bad idea on his part. Another time a group of cyclists were tearing down a steep hill that I was running down. I went right to the side, and they barely missed plowing right into me. I would have been badly hurt or even killed if they'd hit me, not like they gave a hoot.

This, and much worse, is the typical behavior of cyclists.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 9:03pm EDT

re: I want to be on the jury

I want to be on the jury wrote:
[quote]Stomp his bike too next time wrote:
Bikers are the worst. If I'm on this jury, benefit of the doubt goes to the pedestrian, who has the right of way, and was likely acting in self defense.
I was running down a wide half mile running/bike lane at the side of a busy road, and saw a biker hunched over coming up from the bottom, both of us in the middle of the lane but quite a ways apart at that point. As we got closer, I moved to the right of the lane right next to the road, and the biker did the same thing. I moved to the left and he likewise moved to the same side, aiming straight at me. I moved back to the right, and he again moved to the same side that I was on, right next to the road and he was almost to me at that point.
I jumped into the road to avoid getting hit, and he continued on right through where I was. Still hunched over, he turned his head toward me and snarled, "Get the F....."
At that point I pushed him hard with both arms, nearly pushing him off the road on the other side of the lane. He was wobbling back and forth on the bike, barely caught his balance before falling over on his a**, and yelled wtf?? !!!!
I took off heading back down the lane, half expecting him to turn around and catch up to me, which would have been a really bad idea on his part. Another time a group of cyclists were tearing down a steep hill that I was running down. I went right to the side, and they barely missed plowing right into me. I would have been badly hurt or even killed if they'd hit me, not like they gave a hoot.
This, and much worse, is the typical behavior of cyclists.

That cyclist sounds like a "mean one." However, do you think it was wise to push him and potentially cause a fight? A cyclist & runner duking it out on the roads would look bad ðŸ˜•. Remember that line from Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse; "Nobody ever wins fight."

7 years ago 03/30/2017 9:19pm EDT

Its funny he didnt want his name used and the photos dont show his whole face because i saw this on tv and the guy was in full view doing an interview

7 years ago 03/30/2017 9:29pm EDT

exthrower wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Trust me, he knew he was emasculated. Remember that he yelled at me "Don't put your hands up!" and he figured that would be the end of it...him telling me how it would be. Nope. I backed out and followed him and got out of my car, approached him and told him he was having a bad day. That shocked him right there, and he was VERY surprised that I did that. He was quaking in his boots right then, not knowing what I was going to do. I TOLD him then to have a better day and that I was going to help with that. That's when I gave him $20. That interaction ended the way I chose for it to end, not the way he chose for it to end, and he accepted $20 from me like a beggar...a pat on the head is what he got. I could tell he didn't want to take the money, but because he has no pride, he did. I won, and he knew it. "Come on, take it...you know you want to...you know that you really need to take this money and that it means so little to me that I will give it to you. Made him less of a man that day.
Dude...You are pathetic....Did you offer to blow him too?How can you look in the mirror and call yourself a Man?

Dude I'd take you on. You are a piece of shit, worst poser here. You had better be armed.

7 years ago 03/30/2017 10:32pm EDT

re: Aye...

I am guessing Xfit Guy the Real one or Tiberious

Aye... wrote:
zzzzzzz wrote:
We already know he's an LRC poster. Only question is who.
POT

7 years ago 03/30/2017 10:47pm EDT

re: Pointing to the obvious

Fagpole is back from his guaranteed "Hillary be Pres-o-dent fo sho" exile!

7 years ago 03/31/2017 12:28am EDT

re: brogan1

brogan1 wrote:
http://drunkcyclist.com/2017/03/28/
/// tales-from-the-trail-getting-stompd/

The cyclist had "VDB has a posse" on his bike.

7 years ago 03/31/2017 1:05am EDT

re: Pointing to the obvious

â€œThe runner took exception and said, â€˜shake your head at me like that again and Iâ€™ll beat your a** mother ******,â€™â€ Andrew told us."

...Mike Rossi?

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