DREW HUNTER 3:57.81

jjjjjj wrote:

he was about 2 flat/1:57 for splits. That's worth 3:56.

When you factor in the extra 9 meters at the beginning, he ran something like 1:58, 1:57 for actual 800 splits. Still pretty even. His sickness is worth something faster when totally healthy, but probably not too much.

32.5 last 200 unpressed, absolutely impassive expression like running a moderate repeat.

She sure did wrote:

http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=165228

I don't think so. He ran about 2:00.66 for 809+m. 9 meters is 1.5 seconds or so, but to get halfway split, you are looking at about 804.7m, which is about 3/4 of a second extra. In other words, he got to halfway (880y) in about 2:00.00. So, he ran 2/1:57.8 roughly. I understand that he sped up only the last quarter with a 57.

Hank Hill wrote:

Fantastic performance. I am not there so I don't know the situation, but I do wonder why, if he's sick, he's not just calling it an indoor season. If he is just going to race some relays later one, why not get himself fully ready for outdoors?

Becasue it isn't the end of the season, and one day he may wake up and find he's feeling crook and can either stay in bed or move into the next round.

C learly how he feels isn't impacting how he runs. Obviously he's no princess, like a lot of non racing, on the shelf, waiting for the perfect moment guys.

This meal is not great

Drew Hunter is one of the rarest breeds of runners I've seen. He has the talent, he has the work ethic, he has the coach, but unlike other runners who have these three ingredients as well, Hunter also has the restraint. I've seen interviews where he talks about attending running camp and how all the other guys were duking it out on recovery runs and long runs, and Drew just hung back. One of the hardest things for runners to get through their heads is the utmost importance of recovery. Good recovery is more important than good workouts. Running is a sport of attrition. If you burn yourself out, you burn yourself out. You can also stagnate. You can be physically okay but mentally destroyed. Likewise, you can be physically destroyed even when your mind is still strong and forcing you to further destroy yourself physically. Having the ability for restraint is a gift, and Hunter shows it like few before. Combine that with his obvious off-the-charts natural ability, a highly intelligent coach, and a focus on all the small things, and Hunter can go places that even he might not imagine.

hunter needs sub 1:50 speed to run 3:53 outdoors, not 1:46-1:47. He has ridiculous strength--watch his races, you can tell when he's digging deep and he just doesn't let go, he keeps dipping his head down and doing this little look-down every time he digs deeper. He seems to get about as much out of himself as anyone.

It's true, 800 speed is less needed for a fast mile time than one might think. If you look at the all time mile list, the ones with the best 800m times are the kickers, not the absolute fastest milers. The mile is significantly more aerobic.

Tinman's whole philosophy for Drew is NOT doing intense workouts, he has been doing mainly mileage, with almost no speedwork leading up to his 3:57.

Jim Ryun, not even 18 yet (17 years, 11 months, 29 days?) 3:55.3 on cinder track in 1965!!!!

If he is in 3:55-56 shape right now without illness, then 3:53 is not irrational this Spring, but I suspect they wouldn't want to do the track work that would require. Instead they should zero in on knocking the 2-mile record out of the park, like 8:25.

Mr. Ryun's 3:55.3 on beat up cinders at San Diego, CA was likely a 3:53 on a modern track. His performance against the world's best milers that day was extraordinary. Consider this: the field included Peter Snell and Jim Grelle, and Ryun beat them both - and everyone else too.

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ryun-668995-world-snell.html

"Beat up cinders"????http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2014/jun/04/jim-ryun-victory-lap/It was worth 3:55.

Tom Schwartz wrote:

Mr. Ryun's 3:55.3 on beat up cinders at San Diego, CA was likely a 3:53 on a modern track. His performance against the world's best milers that day was extraordinary. Consider this: the field included Peter Snell and Jim Grelle, and Ryun beat them both - and everyone else too.

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ryun-668995-world-snell.html

Reality bump.

Dan Connolly please come back and tell us more! Don't give into these babies.

What he did later was to run 3:51 on beat up cinders. What's that worth?

Jim Ryun always comes up. Why? Who gives a sh*t about Jim Ryun. He ran remarkably very young and then disappeared. Sorry to say, but the guy was a moron in training. He overdid it so many times, and that's why he peaked at 21 and fell off the map. Hunter would be a fool to care what Ryun did at his age. Same goes for bringing up German Fernandez? GF peaked early and ruined himself and couldn't even rabbit an elite race nowadays...

jjjjj wrote:

What he did later was to run 3:51 on beat up cinders. What's that worth?

Probabaly worth 3:48-49 on a modern track.