Justin Gatlin 9.74 letting up - Are you kidding me?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Blazing saddles wrote:Not to throw a little cold water on this discussion but over on the z15 sprint zone board it is posted that the US team took speed measurements at World Relays in the non-exchange zone parts and Gatlin was significantly slower than Bolt. In fact he was even slower than Ryan Bailey. Gatlin was 11.41 meters per second while Bolt was 11.71 and Bailey was 11.50. Now I will give you Gatlin is a better starter than Bolt and Bailey but that's a huge difference!

there must be some serious drivel spouted over there

gatlin just ran 9.74

neither bolt let alone bailey are currently in 9.74 shape, so those "speed measurements" are crap & probably taken with a sundial !!!

Exactly right. Those 4 X 100 splits are just about the stupidest things ever thought of.

don't be ridic wrote:

Dragon Runner wrote:

The brojos said that Bolt "could be" clean. If Bolt is clean, what could he run dirty? 8.97??

No. Doping does not make 0.6s difference. Maybe 0.1. Otherwise you're saying Bolt would run 10.18 clean and some clean 10.10 guy could come down and destroy him.

Just want to butt in and say that though most drops from doping aren't that's massive (and certainly couldn't be once you're down that low) but there are some super responders...Ben Johnson anyone?

Ventolin you just admitted in all your babble that you are unaware Bailey ran 6.50 indoors this year. You cited his old PR of 6.57.

The splits were taken using high speed cameras at the site of the meet. There is no BS because it is only measuring time of athlete as they exit and then enter a zone as in Gatlin's case and with Bolt and Bailey its when they exited their zones. Of the 3 I would actually say Bailey exited slightly slower having to slow to keep from running away from Gay on the hand off. These times are then converted to the distance covered. 80 meters for Gatlin and 90 for Bailey and Bolt. Splitting actual handoffs is BS but thats not what these measurements are. For the record.....

Ok was running smooth.

But THAT GAP!

Flo'da boy wrote:

Just want to butt in and say that though most drops from doping aren't that's massive (and certainly couldn't be once you're down that low) but there are some super responders...Ben Johnson anyone?

IIRC, Johnson was more of a super-user than a super responder. And he went at it hard for a long time .. 5-6 years at least.

rojo wrote:

jjjjj wrote:

he's been caught doping twice already! What other proof do you need? On the positive side, this might actually get Bolt to train hard for World Champs.

I actually don't believe this. In my mind, he was really caught once. His college thing was a joke. He was taking ADHD medicine and got busted for that.

It's a stimulant and he was using it during a race and was therefore doping. He gave some bs lie the 2nd time so for all we know was taking his meds knowingly for the race

One thing for sure to me ..he is still doping just not getting caught

Of course you make excuses for Gay as well and don't refer to him as a doper or cheat on your front page like you would if he was Russian. Biased reporting purely because he is Amercan and a 'nice guy'

but i said he probably was 6.50 at indoor peak & used that number without looking up he had gone 6.50

i got number right without even knowing he'd run it

( don't believe me )

then obviously justin had to slow down hugely to keep stick alive

those splits are crap, or more precisely any inference from them

justin looked awesome in his leg

that was take-home message

do you think bolt/bailey were faster than 9.74 at time in history of 2/52 ago ???

ifyoudon't wrote:Exactly right. Those 4 X 100 splits are just about the stupidest things ever thought of.

yup

absolute drivel

worth sundial accuracy

This is a terrible way to judge, but his performances feel so wrong. If you examine the facts around Justin, it strongly points toward him having an unfair advantage

Testing on mice has indicated lifelong benefits from steroid use. His current steroid use could be irrelevant as his former actions could still be paying dividends.

I'm sorry Justin, I want you out. You don't deserve to be on the top if you cheated at some point to get there.

utterly clueless

it is obvious your knowledge of pharmacology ends at the vitamins you ingest instead of giving your pet goldfish

he was on same medication for ~ a decade

ncaa & iaaf said perfectly legit to take ADHD medicine, as long as you stop it on thursday for weekend meet as there will be no +ve recorded

he had big exam on the friday & took it friday morning

he got test +ve on weekend meet

he got few months ban but criminally a 1st strike from iaaf, who even said medication perfectly legit to take as long as don't take it on friday

justin family to poor to contest this 1st strike at lausanne & it screwed him

he started this medication when he was about 10y ole

your inept neurone think he was taking "dope" at 10y ole expecting to help him run a world-class 200 in 10y time in a nonsense low-level ncaa meet ???

it wasn't even ncaa finals !!!

so angry was justin's manager that he beat up the masseuse who rubbed that worthless crap into justin's body

get a clue

you need to rub in a bucket of that crap/day for weeks to get 0.01s off a 100

it's piss-weak testo designed to give decrepit ole boys some kick-back-in-their-left-hook when bedding their equally decrepit ole spouses, who really don't care how much kick ebeneezer had left & have preferred to read george eliot or thackeray like he/she had for past 2 decades

you really are

wunderkid

tyson made a mistake

a bad mistake

if you got the story of his doping :

offer it...

ukathleticscoach wrote:

rojo wrote:

I actually don't believe this. In my mind, he was really caught once. His college thing was a joke. He was taking ADHD medicine and got busted for that.

It's a stimulant and he was using it during a race and was therefore doping. He gave some bs lie the 2nd time so for all we know was taking his meds knowingly for the race

One thing for sure to me ..he is still doping just not getting caught

Of course you make excuses for Gay as well and don't refer to him as a doper or cheat on your front page like you would if he was Russian. Biased reporting purely because he is Amercan and a 'nice guy'

In terms of Gatlin's "first" positive, read the case of Gatlin v. USADA/USATF/IAAF:

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From the report:

At that time USADA, NCAA, USATF and the University of Tennessee had no

specific exemption requirement for Adderall and all of these entities recommended that the medicine be stopped before the competition. (See Exhibits B & C)

At the time of Justin's 2001 violation for taking his Attention Deficit Disorder

("ADD") medicine, the "prohibited list" did not contain any reference to ADD, Adderall® or Ritalin®. The list mentioned only amphetamine. USADA, who had just been formed in October of 2000, also did not identify any need for an athlete taking medicines for ADD to apply for a "TUE".

There's a lot more facts, such as the fact that he was prescribed Adderall since age 9, that he had taken it as prescribed during his freshman track season (during which he was tested by NCAA and at no time was informed that he tested positive for any substance), that he was attending summer classes and had an exam 3 days prior to the World Jr Champs (and that Adderall helped and was necessary for him to perform well academically) and that he stopped taking Adderall after his test to insure it was out of his system prior to Worlds (as per 2001 USATF Manual to achieve compliance with ADD medications).

But I'm sure most who pontificate on LRC have never actually sought out the facts, but rather babble on based on their preconceived notions.

The 2006 positive test was established and Gatlin served his ban. To argue however that Gatlin was "cheating" when he received a positive for taking Adderall in college is somewhat disingenuous based on the fact that neither the NCAA nor USATF identified Adderalll as a prohibited substance nor identified any of Gatlin's drug tests (when he was taking Adderall as prescribed) prior to World Jr Champs as positive.

You can argue for the death penalty on drug testing, but that is not currently the rules.

To all of the people saying Bolt is doping-

The only reason I consider the possibility that he is clean is because of his freakish and unseen body type in the sprinting world.

He is 4" taller than Gatlin and an easy 6-8" taller than guys like Ben Johnson, Tim Montgomery and Maurice Greene.

He is obviously a candidate to be doping, but his unique body type leaves the possibility open in my mind that he hit the lottery and was born fast with a huge frame.

On to Gatlin- I have zero faith in him (much like most people here) because of his previous doping positives, as well as his standard body type for sprinting (but somehow being way faster).

Many of the times that came from guys that look like him are dirty- as mentioned, Montgomery, Johnson.

This is clearly not a scientific study, but just how I look at it and rate who is clean/dirty. Sprinters who all look the exact same but suddenly running .2-.3 seconds faster than dirty times? I don't buy it.

6'6" guy running 9.68? I can at least fathom that happening.

Sorry, 9.58-typo.

Also, inlcude Tyson Gay in that list.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

No, because different athletes peak at different point in the year, some are able to hold their peak for a longer time

Someone running fast early has nothing to do with doping and shouldn't make you suspicious

This guy knows what he's talking about. If Gatlin runs 9.55 at the end of the summer then yes that is suspicious. But I doubt he will be running under 9.85. He hit his peak in May and to maintain that would take some extra help. He will end up injured before the World Champs and Bolt wins in a landslide. Gatlin will need to bump up the intensity to hold this level and dope or no dope, the body will break down at that age.

You can make a designer steroid with a home chemistry set.

Steroids will always be the drug of choice because a lot of the benefit is from the added ability to do more work due to improved recovery. So, it's an easily resolved moral dilemma because you are still doing the work.

Alan

The treatment for ADHD is a stimulant, I just had this confirmed by a doctor are you one. As he took it and is responsible for what goes into his body he was doping intentional or not

Gatlin saying his masseur rubbed steroid cream into him vindictively and that being the truth are 2 different things, Are you gullible as well as know nothing about the sport you watch!

Gay was done for doping, blaming someone else does not mean that is a fact. He got his doping sentence reduced for grassing up his supplier. Hardly an admirable quality. He would have got a longer sentence for doping but for turning in Drummond. Not even honour among cheats there.

Gatlin tested positive for testosterone how is that weak! How the hell would he know how it got into his system if it were true.

'if you got the story of his doping :

offer it.'

He was banned for doping you must be really gullible and dumb to believe his publicity statements.

How did your bs predictions go tonight -some crap about Asbel I believe!

Your opinion on every single thing in the world in wrong you must be either a troll or the biggest prat to grace this planet. Supporting dopers makes you the lowest of the low

he didn't look like he was letting up to me, but think about the fact that the world record is only .16 faster than he ran in May.

Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:

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What's his name?

rojo wrote:

Wow. I want whatever Gatlin's got. Jesus. 9.74 letting up. Seriously. Hand the guy the gold right now. Barring a doping positive, how does he lose?

That has to be the fastest time ever run in May right?

That was amazing.

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