Sifan Hassan ran her world record in cheater spikes, does it count!?!?

bloviating wrote:

Hassan referenced modern training and modern shoes as to why she thought world records, even the Chinese ones, were attainable. She is upfront about the advantage of being with NOP and Salazar on Nike’s campus. They are not hiding anything. The ergonomic aids such as shoes are not cheating. It is simply an advantage. What people are missing about the 4% is that it allows for harder training and saves the legs for more hard work. Would this question come up if she was American?

You mean Svetlana Masterkova was doing old-fashioned training and wearing crummy shoes when she set the mile WR? ?

Saturday Long Run? wrote:

Bzzzzzt. wrote:

False. Only Ingebrigtsens and Muir are wearing the same shoe as Hassan.

Actually, I was incorrect on Muir. He spikes have a different plate. The others are wearing the same spikes.

Hassan:

https://m.facebook.com/OregonPJT/photos/a.662383160485252/2555470067843209/?type=3&source=54&ref=page_internal

Grice:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzycztUnqIQ/

Ingebrigtsen:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz090naIAIt/

Hughes:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz0iG3kHYR0/

Again, Grice is not wearing the same shoe- not even remotely close.

Hughes and Ingebrigtsens are. Muir's previous pair are the same shoe with only a different coloured plate. The pattern and receptacles are the same as Hassan's.

old shoe wrote:

Further,

Should we all go back to barefoot days? Where do we draw the line? CF plates?

Why is the Reebok Floatrides Run Fast Pro perfectly fine yet it does't have a CF plate? They have Pebax.

Is it the foam? Should we ban TPU, TPE? just go to EVA only? This is all so silly.

Let's go wth a common middle ground and Roman sandals it is. No spikes.

Yes draw the line at the carbon plate that has the sole purpose of acting like a spring. Don't be a dumb-ass and play stupid.

I dunno about the shoes or the doping, but for phukk's sake can someone shove a cheeseburger into that woman's pie hole? I'm not sure if she's running for records or from cancer.

In the cycling world, they're limiting the height of compression socks so as to avoid greater advantages.

Socks.

I agree that Nike is going to far with some of their shoes.

Juice Springsteen wrote:

I’d be more concerned about the more than likely cheater- drugs

Dead on Juice...

The first pic is the cheaterfly spikes which Hassan has worn in the past for her longer distance races, however for the mile in Monaco she wore Nikes current prototype 1500 specialty spike, as seen in the second picture. In many photos this prototype looks to have a thick midsole like the cheaterflys. However up close you can see most of the thick midsole is part of the new woven upper and how it attaches to the shoes.

Vaporfly Asterisk wrote:

old shoe wrote:

Further,

Should we all go back to barefoot days? Where do we draw the line? CF plates?

Why is the Reebok Floatrides Run Fast Pro perfectly fine yet it does't have a CF plate? They have Pebax.

Is it the foam? Should we ban TPU, TPE? just go to EVA only? This is all so silly.

Let's go wth a common middle ground and Roman sandals it is. No spikes.

Every time this thread resurrects itself so does this lame argument.

No we shouldn't go back to barefoot days. Yes you draw the line at the CF plate. It's not rocket science - keep running events to be contested in running shoes and leave any hybrid footwear like the Vaporflys / roller blades out of the picture.

And this kind of a reply shows how buttheadly little you understand about shoes.

Yes there may be an advantage in the springs but the real butter comes from the foam. The poster who mentioned the zoom flys gets it. Try running in both the zoomfly and vaporfly. If you still can't figure it out you should get some serious help.

And again there are so many faster shoes than the vaporfly. But it's advantage in efficiency helps mostly in the marathon. However I don't think there's any point explaining something painfully obvious to you any further.

well actually wrote:

old shoe wrote:

Further,

Should we all go back to barefoot days? Where do we draw the line? CF plates?

Why is the Reebok Floatrides Run Fast Pro perfectly fine yet it does't have a CF plate? They have Pebax.

Is it the foam? Should we ban TPU, TPE? just go to EVA only? This is all so silly.

Let's go wth a common middle ground and Roman sandals it is. No spikes.

Yes draw the line at the carbon plate that has the sole purpose of acting like a spring. Don't be a dumb-ass and play stupid.

Mmm kay moran. I personally prefer much cheaper non-spring versions of shoes myself. The foam out there is out of this world but, sure let's get rid of the CF plats to keep you the other little monkeys happy.

Scottykrutz wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzvmanznbHH/?igshid=1r7yd60xw939e

The first pic is the cheaterfly spikes which Hassan has worn in the past for her longer distance races, however for the mile in Monaco she wore Nikes current prototype 1500 specialty spike, as seen in the second picture. In many photos this prototype looks to have a thick midsole like the cheaterflys. However up close you can see most of the thick midsole is part of the new woven upper and how it attaches to the shoes.

You are correct, my mistake. I was assuming that Sifan was wearing her usual prototype that she has raced in all year, as well as trained in on campus.

Apologies, I can't discuss this cancerous issue in athletics any further with someone who seriously uses the term "buttheadly" in a discussion.

Good luck to you Sir...

Does anyone else believe this is going to turn out to be similar to the swim suit situation? World records were being shattered with some sort of prototype swimwear, now these carbon fiber shoes are giving extra spring to achieve world records. Seems fishy to me...

Subway Surfers wrote:

Rojo I was actually going to start a thread on this but then thought I better get for a run. Anyhow the women's mile record was soft compared with the 1500m, my on issued uveitis

Forget about running; you need to get to a doctor immediately.

RonSwanson wrote:

Carbon fiber zoom x spikes! I know they’ve been around for a bit, but now another world record falls to Nike technology... Are they fair, what do you think??

Pics of the shoes seen in this article:

www.sportsnewsireland.com/other_sports/sifan-hassan-breaks-womens-mile-world-record-in-monaco/amp/

Other pics on insta:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzDcTfCnQ_d/?hl=en

Her world record was achieved via PED use. That's why it shouldn't count. And you know it.

Bzzzzzt. wrote:

Saturday Long Run? wrote:

Actually, I was incorrect on Muir. He spikes have a different plate. The others are wearing the same spikes.

Hassan:

https://m.facebook.com/OregonPJT/photos/a.662383160485252/2555470067843209/?type=3&source=54&ref=page_internal

Grice:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzycztUnqIQ/

Ingebrigtsen:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz090naIAIt/

Hughes:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz0iG3kHYR0/

Again, Grice is not wearing the same shoe- not even remotely close.

Hughes and Ingebrigtsens are. Muir's previous pair are the same shoe with only a different coloured plate. The pattern and receptacles are the same as Hassan's.

The hurdler-guy just has on OG Victorys with a Zoom X heel, probably a soft training spike. The others will be wearing prototypes.

Avocado's Number wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Rojo I was actually going to start a thread on this but then thought I better get for a run. Anyhow the women's mile record was soft compared with the 1500m, my on issued uveitis

Forget about running; you need to get to a doctor immediately.

Ha! Yeah I dropped the tablet.

forget the cheater shoes, it's her bad choice to have a CHEATER coach.

Obsesssion?

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nike/Wieden+Kennedy plant, paid to sew seeds of discord and engagement (good or bad) at center of running world?

(( so that fifteen year old boys/girls/trans feel the need to beg their parents to buy them $200 shoes that will help them run faster))

I say it's high time we went back to Sparta and trained/competed naked, without any separation of the genders

The original brush spikes go back considerably farther: