Thanks wejo. Same old cynical crap from several posters though. Anyone who believes that all the top runners are doping is just stupid. And I know you don't believe that.
Thanks wejo. Same old cynical crap from several posters though. Anyone who believes that all the top runners are doping is just stupid. And I know you don't believe that.
As a factual matter, does anyone have any idea whether Mutai and his training group have been subject to out-of-competition testing?I noticed this from Toni Reavis's blog from before the NY marathon:
http://tonireavis.com/2013/10/24/perilous-peak-of-perfection/#more-8628This marathon cycle alone world record holder Wilson Kipsang trained with Chicago course record setter Dennis Kimetto, and 2011 Boston and New York course record holder Geoffrey Mutai in Kapngetuny, a camp so isolated that no actual road leads to it — with dozens of other acolytes training by their side every day.
If someone is training in "a camp so isolated that no actual road leads to it" it seems unlikely they would be tested regularly out of competition but I don't know. I'm not suggesting anyone is doping, just asking if there is an out-of-competition testing regime in place for this kind of training group in Kenya.
I've never done anything clearn, and I wouldn't even know how to go about it.
I know I cannot run a 2:03 no matter what drugs I am given.
You can say kenyans do not dope, you can say elites do not dope. This has been proven wrong beyond doubt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics
Kenya:
Delilah Asiago (15:11. 31:22, 1:09:05) 4M and 12k WR busted 1999
Jynocel Basweti (1:02 2:14) busted ed 2013
Ambrose Bitok (13:52) busted 2003
Pamela Chepchumba (14:56, 31:19, 1:08:06, 2:25) busted 2003 managed by federico rosa
Eliud Cheptei (2:12) busted 2013
Lydia Cheromei (8:29, 14:46, 31:33, 1:07:26, 2:21) busted 2006 coached by Gabriele Nicola
Rose Chesire (2:31) busted 2011
Wilson Loyanae Erupe (1:01, 2:05) busted 2012
Salome Jerono (2:26) busted 2012
Simon Kemboi busted (44.94) busted 2000
Nixon Kiplagat (2:14) busted 2013
Genoveva Kigen (1:10, 2:31) busted 2012
Matthews Kisorio (7:34, 12:57. 26:54, 58:46) busted 2012
Rael Kiyara (2:23) busted 2012
Moses Kiptoo Kurgat (2:08) busted 2013
Charles Nyakundi (2:17) busted 2007
Ronald Rutto (1:02 2:09) busted 2012
Asking a question wrote:
As a factual matter, does anyone have any idea whether Mutai and his training group have been subject to out-of-competition testing?
I noticed this from Toni Reavis's blog from before the NY marathon:
This marathon cycle alone world record holder Wilson Kipsang trained with Chicago course record setter Dennis Kimetto, and 2011 Boston and New York course record holder Geoffrey Mutai in Kapngetuny, a camp so isolated that no actual road leads to it — with dozens of other acolytes training by their side every day.http://tonireavis.com/2013/10/24/perilous-peak-of-perfection/#more-8628If someone is training in "a camp so isolated that no actual road leads to it" it seems unlikely they would be tested regularly out of competition but I don't know. I'm not suggesting anyone is doping, just asking if there is an out-of-competition testing regime in place for this kind of training group in Kenya.
You can check yourself
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=ed42193b-f513-4c45-aefd-0de2659b1a6d.pdf&urlslug=The%20IAAF%20Doping%20Control%20Programme%2C%202012%20-%20List%20of%20Tested%20Athletes%20I do not think the best athletes use banned performance enhancing drugs. I am sure these really top on guys will have the best health suppliments and also use the best performance enhancing drugs that are not on the banned list. But that only makes sense. to be the best you must have the best of everything, talent, motivation, hardwork, performance enhancing suppliments and if its legal then why not.
doubt any drug legal or not would have made anyone beet mutai he was far too good.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
You can check yourself
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=ed42193b-f513-4c45-aefd-0de2659b1a6d.pdf&urlslug=The%20IAAF%20Doping%20Control%20Programme%2C%202012%20-%20List%20of%20Tested%20Athletes%20
Thanks.
The bottom line being that Mutai was tested out of competition "1 to 3" times in 2012.
Testing is not important, and only fosters more drug use and promotion.
That is why they are doing it, not to catch people, but to keep promoting the bogus drugs and how good and necessary they are to performances.
Anyone who's a drug believer is a contributor to that way of thinking.
knower of holes wrote:
typical letsrun wrote:whats an onus?
A perfectly round anus.
I gotta comment on this, too.
I got a good laugh.
You can't run 2:03 clearn.
Can't the brojos edit their posts even if we can't?
Weldon, why did you think this response was good?