COURTNEY MOTHER FV<KIN FRERICHS

Awsi Dooger wrote:

bloviating wrote:

We just witnessed the end to Coburn’s dominance over US women’s steeple. It’s been coming but the rapid improvement by Frerichs only points to her getting stronger or maintaining the pole position for several years.

Coburn is still superior to Frerichs, who doesn't risk the front end. When you are content to remain back in the pack in fields of this caliber, you'll occasionally pick up the pieces when others falter but you aren't a serious contender for best in the world.

I guarantee the other countries still fear Coburn more than Frerichs, just like Jager is respected more than another American male who would linger in 5th or 6th place throughout, race after race.

9:00 is hardly "picking up the pieces". More like "cleaning out the records".

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Coburn is still superior to Frerichs, who doesn't risk the front end. When you are content to remain back in the pack in fields of this caliber, you'll occasionally pick up the pieces when others falter but you aren't a serious contender for best in the world.

I guarantee the other countries still fear Coburn more than Frerichs, just like Jager is respected more than another American male who would linger in 5th or 6th place throughout, race after race.

You are joking right? Last year, I think Coburn won gold simply because it was Frerichs who went by Coburn on the backstretch of the last lap. That woke Coburn up who must have thought to myself, "I must not be tired - I don't lose to her."

Just because Frerichs is smart and tried to run an even pace (as did Coburn) doesn't mean she's scared.

I agree with Rojo! Since the Olympics I am pretty sure that Coburn and Courtney are pretty equal. Coburn has had more big time races, but she has also ran more big time races! She barely beat Courtney in the Olympic final so I think they are pretty equal and if one is a tad bit better. Well, it's Courtney bc she just beat Coburn and has the american record now. Before the race started they kept talking about Coburn and the fact she was going for sub 9:00. Then they "mentioned" the other two americans in the race! I said to myself I hope she beats Coburn. They are both class acts and are running great right now! Do not over analyze one race! If these two raced each other 10 more times it could go either way. I would say Courtney has a bigger up side, but Coburn will use this as motivation for sure. And don't even talk about her foot Speed! She just ran 9:00!

I take it Emma did not like food in Monaco. She posted a couple of empty Mcdonalds fry boxes with a best restaurant in Monaco comment...

A rich girl from Crested Butte personifying the old stereotype of the ugly American?

Now, like I wrote after Worlds, Frerichs has passed Quigley and that is partly due to injury but mostly talent for the event. Time for Quigley to move to the 1500 and figure out how to end the string of injuries that reach to her FSU days. Or are she and Infeld doomed by the BTC methodology?

Ok so Jager sub 8, or Courtney sub9.... which comes first?

Hayduke wrote:

Ok so Jager sub 8, or Courtney sub9.... which comes first?

neither :/

Congrats Courtney! Long may you run. Now the American Record holder! Great progress and a wonderful list of accomplishments, multiple all-American in college, NCAA champion in an NCAA record SC, Olympic finalist. Stay healthy and you'll continue to progress, and props to all the BTC teammates on all the support that you give each other. All of us here in KC are so happy for you!

What we could see of the race looked like a real challenge with multiple runners around you until the last lap, must have been some added incentive to race them, but also an added challenge around the steeples.

Maybe so wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Great race, only a matter of time before she passed up Coburn I guess. Too bad it was overshadowed by the 8:44. In the coming years the women's steeple will be a race for 2nd as long as B Chepkoech doesn't make a wrong turn.

Coburn's demise has been coming, we have seen over her last series of races. Being self and husband coached is her trip up. She still has the ability, but will not maximize being coached by her hubby.

Did you forget about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GOLD she won less than 12 months ago while coached by her husband? Dumb@$$ comment.

Alright, alright, alright. Here's the real deal on this race. A few facts first:

1. 8:44? 15 second PR? I smell doping. There's no way around it. Hate to be the one that wrecks on WR'S but...I'll believe it when all her tests come back clean for the next several years.

2. Coburn is faltering due to her husband coaching her? I'm not sure how first at world's is faltering? or setting the previous AR? Or everything else she's done in the last two years? Check yourself.

3. As for Courtney, you have to give her props. I'm a die-hard Coburn fan to the end, but Courtney has to get some recognition here (and you can do it without dragging down Emma). Competition is important, but also lets stop always pitting the two greatest American steeplechaser's against each other every time? She took this race--I don't care if you think she just drafted off Emma and ran even and took it--she still took it. An American record is an Amerian record. Period. She's obviously been focusing and working hard for this, so she totally gets to be "Courtney MotherF******* Frerichs" for a while. No small feat.

4. Also Jäger. Yeah, I'm sure he's the most intimiadating American steeplechaser (on the mens side), but lets be real. He's done some big stuff yada yada but he seems to always say he's going to win world's or win this and then choke and come back with some random 3rd place or 4th place finish. Which is a still a big deal, yes, but whatever. American women's steeplechase is just so much better right now then men's and the men are going to have to just deal with that.

Jager is just Marsh 2.0.

Moman415. You have just confused the sh#t out of everyone. Olympics??? I think you must be referring to the 2017 World Championships. The rest of your crap is quite confused also. I especially like the way you use one runner's first name (Courtney) and the other runner's (Coburn) last name.

Where can I find a recording of the whole race?

Are you drunk? wrote:

Maybe so wrote:

Coburn's demise has been coming, we have seen over her last series of races. Being self and husband coached is her trip up. She still has the ability, but will not maximize being coached by her hubby.

Did you forget about the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GOLD she won less than 12 months ago while coached by her husband? Dumb@$$ comment.

I guess you are drunk or maybe just stupid, no matter.

Her hubby started coaching January of 2017, no big changes in training routine until after world champs. We are seeing impact in 2018 races, please review her performances.

Thanks for posting! I did see that one. I was hoping to find one that shows Frerichs and Coburn finishing. They also switch to other track events in the middle of the race. I understand that watching that whole race would be boring to most viewers. I also wanted to see where Frerichs overcomes Coburn but I guess a new world record is the bigger news. Bummer! I wanted to see my USA peeps. Watching them duke it out over the next few years will be fun! I’m looking forward to it!

I too tried to find something that showed the rest of the field finishing ... This turned out to be your typical T&F broadcast.

Also, I guess not too many others care about the Americans.

Dey alls cheat wrote:

youtube tv fo' free wrote:

UNREAL RACE. Awesome to see Courtney back up that Silver with a huge performance

8:44?????????? She looked WAY too comfortable at the finish

YEP. Just like Amos at the end of his 1:42. Those guys who said drug use would be cranked up and enforcement slackened when it comes to E. Africans and third world runners in general are starting to look like geniuses.

Aren't steeplers supposed to have energy left at the end to ensure they clear the barriers? We discussed this at length after the Barazza fiasco at NCAAs.

Race video? wrote:

Where can I find a recording of the whole race?

A video of the entire race does not exist because like in the Men's race, the dumb, stupid, network AH's who "produce" the telecast would rather run 3 full minutes of commercials and then ditch right to the field events (instead of showing the 8 minute race that already has not been shown in 3+ minutes) when they can split screen it after coming back from the already-too-long 3 minutes of commercials. What a DISASTER! The announcers or anyone who is on that production crew who have run 1 or more races in their life should teach the network production executives "Track & Field Production 101".

Brojos: Can't you something to somebody. Give me their number--you have my contact info. Don't you guys know any one in your contacts who would listen? This happens all the time....track, road, marathon, you name it. As big a problem is when the dumb network does not show the finish line after the the winner finishes.

WTF not?

Again, split the screen (there are 5 women threatening to break 9:00 and get second place in the fastest women's Steeple ever)!

I am watching the replay now--they are showing Christian Taylor speaking to fans in the seatsfor like 35 seconds while Chepkoech and company hammer the best steeples ever after already having been on commercial for 3 consecutive minutes. We not only missed the race's development but we also missed every Women's steeple competitor finish in exchange for watching Chepkoech smile/wave/dance after she finished. What a bunch of dumb axxes!