Let's Hear it Now Olympic 10k Farah or Kamworor?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:How fast would they have to go out before they think they're definitely going to drop Mo in a 10k. 26:20? And how many can do that, particularly as a team? Zero. Therefore, the tactic doesn't exist.

you do realise 26'17 is a p!ss-weak wr ?

Kamwo was probably in 26'10 shape in peking & karoke maybe 26'15/'26'20 & the 3rd kenyan not much behind

mo probably was 26'25

unfortunately for Kamwo, the other 2 kenyans weren't willing to sacrifice themselves to run mo into the ground & let Kamwo use his far, far better endurance in last 2 - 3 km for the win & instead made Kamwo do the leading

Eldrick,

No one calls it Peking anymore, you nut.

Love,

E.G.H.

Moh has recently run 7:38 in the 3000m and can probably run 7:30ish

when peaking for Rio. None of the guys out there today can match that.

Moh for the gold.

Everyone seem to forget today's race was half marathon n not a 10k

in a 10k race my money is always n 4ever on Mo

Congrats to Kam and Bedan great race , also congrats 2 Mo he held his own n fought like the champ he is #onemomile #rodad2rio

yyy wrote:

Moh has recently run 7:38 in the 3000m and can probably run 7:30ish

when peaking for Rio. None of the guys out there today can match that.

Moh for the gold.

You clearly haven't been paying attention. All of these guys can run at least 7:30 for 3k. Especially the 2nd place finisher today. Did you see his double at altitude?

I think that ideally Mo can run close to 26:30 which is indeed a "fast time", but if Kamworor can run say 26:22, then he has to run Mo off his legs. At 3:28 (twice), Mo is indeed a 1500 runner who has been capitalizing on tactical races in Championships. A sub-13 5K during the 10000 would likely be enough to break Mo, but Kam may not have enough in the speed bank to pull that off, as his best possible fresh 5000 is probably only 15 seconds better than that.All is speculative until the race goes down. Same with Ayana v. fresh Genzebe.

Hard to tell wrote:

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

I for one would never have rulled out Ayana. Especially knowing Dibaba had broken the 1500 World record and most likely 'sacrificing a bit of endurance'.

You, however are making it sound like Farah can't run fast times which was proven false last year.

When someone can kick, it just means that they were able to preserve quite a bit of extra energy, which they chose not to spend during the race capiche?

Otherwise 1500m runners would be winning the tactical 10km's which isn't happening anytime soon.

wqqqqqqqq wrote:

It's still surprising to me that it HASN'T happened yet. Every time I cringe -- wow, making it a slow race again? how did that work out for you last time?

Probably making a fool of myself if there's something I'm forgetting. But I don't think someone's ever really try to drop Farah and pull a Bekele '08.

Beijing 2015 10,000m? Third fastest WC 10k ever. Kamworor did his best there and they covered 8km in under 21:30 in hot and humid conditions, the Kenyans at the front worked together to make it fast.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Kamwo was probably in 26'10 shape in peking & karoke maybe 26'15/'26'20 & the 3rd kenyan not much behind

mo probably was 26'25

There is no evidence for this. Farah fastest time is nowhere close to 26:25 and his run in Beijing was nowhere close to 26:25. Farah was in about 26:40 shape.

Look at Rupp. The week before, he could barely break 4 for a mile. That fits in well with the 27:08 that he ran. Heat doesn't really affect 10k times. It was only 79 with a breeze anyway.

Hard to tell wrote:

Otherwise 1500m runners would be winning the tactical 10km's which isn't happening anytime soon.

You mean like 3:28 1500m runner named Farah?

Metric Miler wrote:

Beijing 2015 10,000m? Third fastest WC 10k ever. Kamworor did his best there and they covered 8km in under 21:30 in hot and humid conditions, the Kenyans at the front worked together to make it fast.

It wasn't hot, humid, or fast.

Metric Miler wrote:Beijing 2015 10,000m? Third fastest WC 10k ever. Kamworor did his best there and they covered 8km in under 21:30 in hot and humid conditions

too slow

it had to be ~ 26'35 / 26'40 pace for 1st 8k but the 2 kenyan boyz woudn't sacrifice themselves for their emperor to take it out

the Kenyans at the front worked together to make it fast

no

they didn't

the 2 boyz refused to help Kamwo properly & let him do most of the leading ruining his chances from a double whammy

ldoot wrote:You clearly haven't been paying attention. All of these guys can run at least 7:30 for 3k. Especially the 2nd place finisher today. Did you see his double at altitude?

way quicker for Kamwo

i haven't got access to the predictor site

for anyone who does :

what does say

26'10 / 26'20

( latter for those who can't stomach his likely current 10k abilty )

combined with 400 speed of likely

51 / 52

?

-> for

800

1500

3000

5000 ?

there are 4 combinations to try

no

5y ago when just after joining sal he ran 26'46 with coupla early laps of jogging which canova rightly reckoned was worth 1/2 dozen secs thrown away

even up the rest of the laps & he was likely in ~ 26'35 shape

he's had 5y of uininterruped injury free training since then

you don't think those 5y haven't produced an improvement of just 10s ???

it is or was last year & likely close right now

not his run

his shape

no

tactical race in brutal conditions

he was likely 26'25 in zurich, paced perfectly to 5k, solo last 5k

analyse better

he ran 26'44 early season with slow pace to 8 or 9k

sal said he was likely in 26'35 shape in eugene

you think rupp wouda been in better shape in eugene rather than peking ???

no it wasn't

wejo wrote:

At 10k Farah is still the favorite in my opinion, but this makes Rio even more interesting.

Galen Rupp.

No Mo medals for slow Mo...

ventolin^3 wrote:

he's had 5y of uininterruped injury free training since then

you don't think those 5y haven't produced an improvement of just 10s ???

No, I don't think having 5 yr of training necessarily means anything. Years of uninterrupted training didn't improve his 1500m time. In fact, it slowed down by a some tenths of a second. Your reasoning is wrong.

analyse better

he ran 26'44 early season with slow pace to 8 or 9k

sal said he was likely in 26'35 shape in eugene

you think rupp wouda been in better shape in eugene rather than peking ???

Yes. I already explained this. Near Beijing, Rupp could barely run a sub 4 mile. That shows that he was in better shape in Eugene than in Beijing. Your reasoning is wrong.

I heard it was 79 and breezy. That is not "brutal" nor is there any proof that heat has an effect on 10th performance.

Farah has plenty of natural speed dude, and 1500m is mainly an aerobic event remember.

He can run a very good 1500m off pure endurance and maybe 2 weeks of speedwork oriented training.

Also 3:28:81 by the way. I also think that a guy like Gebremeskel can probably run something similar to that. And he's the 5th all time for 5km.

Nice username by the way, reflects your personality.

ventolin^3 wrote:way quicker for Kamwo

i haven't got access to the predictor site

for anyone who does :

what does say

26'10 / 26'20

( latter for those who can't stomach his likely current 10k abilty )

combined with 400 speed of likely

51 / 52

?

-> for

800

1500

3000

5000 ?

there are 4 combinations to try

got access

52 / 26'20 ->

1'48.9

3'32.3

4'48.0

7'22.6 !

12'39.9 !

52 / 26'10 ->

1'48.7

3'31'7

4'47.0

7'20.7 !!

12'36.0 !!

51 / 26'20 ->

1'47.3

3'30.1 !!

4'45.5

7'19.8 !!

12'37.2 !!

51 / 26'10 ->

1'47.1

3'29.5 !!

4'44.5

7'17.9 !!!

12'33.3 !!!

not too shabby set of potential 1500/2k/3k/5k for a guy who doesn't even train for them...

Look I don't like Mo as well, but the reality is that no 1500m runner is winning three global titles at 10km by accident.

The guy has plenty of speed and can run very fast if he needs to.

It's easier to develop endurance than speed so he got lucky in that aspect and of course he also has natural endurance.

Dibaba has the same characteristics. A 1500m world record, and a 14:15 at the 5000m (Drafting a lot of the time of course at the expense of Ayana).

At those elite levels, those guys have the whole pack (speed and endurance).

I think someone else will win.