Flo'da boy wrote:I do want to know why you say Gatlin is a 200m man, he always stuck me as more of a 60m-100m given his start, though I didn't follow the sport back before his ban.
he was in 19.6 shape in '03/'05 but only interested in 100, so didn't bother much with 200
he only concentrated on 100 in '04 & ran a tired 3rd in athens
( i went especially to the games to watch this 1 race :
kenteris v yanks )
gatlin wouda been into 19.4s by now if concentrated on 200
IDK about 19.4's, but high 19.5/low 19.6 for sure, X-man/Gay/Dix territory.
I don't think he would be better than Gay, who had legit low-9.7 100m speed and excellent SE.
I wish we could get rid of these drug cheats Gatlin and Gay. Noone wants to see them. At least I don't :(
UKUKUK wrote:
I wish we could get rid of these drug cheats Gatlin and Gay. Noone wants to see them. At least I don't :(
Change the rules so that someone is gone for good for even the slightest offense.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
UKUKUK wrote:I wish we could get rid of these drug cheats Gatlin and Gay. Noone wants to see them. At least I don't :(
Change the rules so that someone is gone for good for even the slightest offense.
I wouldn't want to see people gone for the slightest offence. But for hardcore offences like steroid use (Gay) or repeat offences (Gatlin) yes. But you are right of course. The rules allow them to come back so they are back.
Mumia wrote:I don't think he would be better than Gay, who had legit low-9.7 100m speed and excellent SE.
tyson is just a plain dumb 200 racer
( bolt is even dumber )
he used to go out in 10.0+ in his fastest races, which is 19.0+ pace !!!
that's why he & bolt died in stretch but enough big lead to win/wr
if he'd had the sense to ratchet it down to 10.2 bend, he wouda been looking at 19.3+
( formula for "ideal" split for a 200 :
200 = ~ 2*100 split - 0.95
go look up mj's splits in 19.32 & flo-jo's in her 21.34 to see how to "split" a 200
that's how to run a 200... )
Nice, but it's missing the 3 fastest men to have run in the past few years- Bolt, Blake and Dix.
where/who is that new yank who ran 19.9 earlier on ?
Star wrote:
Nice, but it's missing the 3 fastest men to have run in the past few years- Bolt, Blake and Dix.
Blake absolutely sucks this year at the 200, he has proven that.
Dix? Dude can barely FINISH a 100m this year!
Nobody cares about Bolt this year, for sure he is out of shape.
So this is pretty much the most interesting possible 200 this year. Too bad there aren't 9 lanes, otherwise they could have put Kim Collins in there just for fun.
Nice work lololololololol. I agree with everything, except the Gay and Gatlin placements.
This race is about energy systems, and training them. Gatlin wins 100's this year by destroying everybody over 50m, and then relaxing while still pumping. He has that 60m energy system, but does he have the 200m one? Has he trained it this year? If not, he will be no better than average. Sure he can go 9.80, but then he would flame the second half.
Gay seems to have always had a good 200m energy system, but I am mindful of what ventolin just said. In order for those guys to finish high, assuming their 200m energy system sucks, they need incredible 100m speed relative to everybody else, which neither of them has. 0.2 or 0.3 advantage isn't enough.
I don't know who has been training for what, but I feel that Weir, Ashmeade, and Lemaitre train the 200m energy system, and that they will therefore do well, Lemaitre less so because he just seems to be out of shape. I think lane draw will be very important for Lemaitre, he needs to know to not slack off too much in the first 100m.
In the end, I will take Weir, because of all the competitors, it is he who seems to specialize in training the 200m energy system.
Edward
Weir
Ashmeade
Gatlin
Mitchell
Lemaitre
Gay
Dwyer
This is a no-brainer and not too close to call. It will be Weir based on recent results and race sharpness. The others will be 2-3 meters behind.
Like's Weir's most "recent result", a 20.30 (-0.2) losing effort in Edmonton?
Losing to Aaron Brown, who is good but not great?
Like Weir's second-most "recent result", a 20.17 (+0.5) losing effort in Kingston?
Losing to Rasheed Dwyer, who is good but not great?
Guess again. Even if he ends up winning, your reasoning is laughable.
Dead on articulator. Something has been up with Weir for certain. I don't see him in top 3 or even 4 perhaps. Will Curtis Mitchell "pull" a Locke and cramp up when he is at 170m and near DFL in this burner? My guess is YES.
I see Edward taking this down with Gay slightly behind and Gatlin fading from lead to 3rd in final stretch.
For sure something is up with Weir.
His 19.80 may have been legit, but since then, maybe he has some sort of muscle/joint/foot tweak that he hasn't been able to get rid of, which slows him down. Hopefully, whatever it has been, he will be better for this race, otherwise I think you're right, not even top 4.
As far as Edward goes, what was up with his recent 100m, after his terrific 200m? Inconsistency? Just better at the 200m? I hope he does well in this race and vindicates his 19.82 or whatever it was.
Good thread, some poster on another board also thinks this race is a big deal.
Although the field is interesting and excellent, I think that Gatlin will be hard to beat, he has just been so solid this year. He doesn't make mistakes. In order to beat him, somebody will have to run a very excellent race.
Lemaitre, excellent though he is at 200m, could very well come last in this race. He just won French nationals in a horrible time like 20.5, but I think he was just trying for the win, because he also won the 100 in a SB 10.14, I think (another race he might have just been trying to win, idk, I haven't been able to find a video).
He should go pretty well considering that 100m speed is closing in on 10.10, but seriously, I can see him finishing dead last, the field is that good.
Ashmeade won his latest 100 in 9.97, gaining on and passing everybody after 50m, he looks particularly good, and is just about as good as Gay over even 100m. Given his racing, his last 100m, and his apparent speed endurance fitness, I would take him to edge out Gay at this point.
Also like an earlier poster said it will depend very much on lane draw.
Also if Lashawn Merritt were in this field he would be right in the mix, I think.
Gatlin, then Ashmeade, then Edward, is my guess. This is the first sprint in a long time that I'm going to watch. I hope nobody scratches.
Gatlin is looking like he is on another planet, running 9.8 at will.
He just ran 9.82 (-0.1) to win in Linz. That's 9.80 BASIC
I know he uses a lot on the start, but that's insanely fast. He's already in europe, and seems to have adjusted well--he just got there from being in Edmonton last week, I think! WTF?
I repeat, WTF?
NOBODY, NOBODY HAS EVER HAD A MORE BRILLIANT SPRINT SEASON. It's unbelievable. He would have 3 or so 9.7's had he had some wind. Undefeated in 10 100m races, all over the world. Possibly in 9.6's with 2.0 tailwind, more than once.
He will mop the floor with the competition in the Monaco 200m, unless he gets food poisoning.
I'm callin it now. Gatlin in 19.69. Edward equals his PR in 19.81 Gay in 19.89. Ashmeade in 19.91
Those are very solid predictions, my son.
May the force be with you.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:I do want to know why you say Gatlin is a 200m man, he always stuck me as more of a 60m-100m given his start, though I didn't follow the sport back before his ban.he was in 19.6 shape in '03/'05 but only interested in 100, so didn't bother much with 200
he only concentrated on 100 in '04 & ran a tired 3rd in athens
( i went especially to the games to watch this 1 race :
kenteris v yanks )
gatlin wouda been into 19.4s by now if concentrated on 200
How can you assume that he was in 19.6x shape when his PR is nowhere close to 19.6? In fact, his legal PR is 20.00. He does have a 19.85 time that was stricken from the books I believe.
This is all conjecture.
