I didnt ask to be here.

You can leave the country at any time and make your way to one that you'd rather be in, or even live as a hermit in the middle of nowhere. By being in this country you agree to certain benefits and requirements, such as following the law.

You never signed an agreement but you still agreed to be part of it. It's slight restrictions of personal liberty in order to benefit the whole of humanity

I have a manifesto you should read.

Bleh wrote:

You can leave the country at any time and make your way to one that you'd rather be in, or even live as a hermit in the middle of nowhere. By being in this country you agree to certain benefits and requirements, such as following the law.

You never signed an agreement but you still agreed to be part of it. It's slight restrictions of personal liberty in order to benefit the whole of humanity

I don’t think you understand. What philosophical argument requires any of us to follow laws. I flat out did not ask to be here. I agreed to nothing. I opened my eyes one day (not even realizing I had them) and saw an environment with plants and creatures and artificial constructions. I have no innate obligation to any of it.

Social constructions are not laws of nature.

None. Want to live by the laws of nature? Go live in the bush. Society created laws to best benefit everyone. Your own individual philosophic delema is of no importance to anyone but yourself. Don't like it? Too bad so sad.

People only follow government if there’s a mutual benefit. If you don’t feel treated appropriately, you protest.

The same is like dating. I realized I was never in the dating game at all. I’m not sexually attractive like Jamin, but a whole part of my life was focused on perhaps being a family man or a salary man.

So I found out recently that if anyone is interested in me, it’ll either be because I have lots of money or I’m their rebound or they have BPD.

Do I have to follow etiquette and courtship culture? No. Because Tinder and Bumble fvcked me over.

If only I was a hot attractive dude, but eh. I’m not going the salaryman path and instead I’m pursuing something else. I’m receiving a lot of backlash from my friends but they’re the same ones who society naturally like and accept.

I don’t need to look sexy to be in MLS. All I need is to be a game changer!

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Don’t subscribe to schools of thought because they were the first one you saw. Also yee, I do have a bachelors degree.

I like this.

There are laws of nature and there are human laws. The human laws ensure members follow prescribed behaviors to ensure the best chance of survival of the species.

A wolfpack has a social structure and rules of behavior and so does a hive of bees. Of course you can always choose not to follow the laws or rules but there will be consequences. Now if you lived where there are no other humans you would be free to behave naturally.

Biology supersedes philosophy. A lion didn't ask to be born into a pride. A prairie dog didn't ask to be born into a colony. Humans are social animals because they are not well-adapted to survive as individuals.

I would submit that you are less likely to survive to reproduce without the cooperation of other humans.

Actual Law Abiding Citizen wrote:

I understand that having a society of laws is probably better than anarchy but under what philosophy should any of us follow any laws, recognize political boundaries, or comply with any other social structures?

I never asked to be born in the first place so if I show up in the world as a white male, born in the United States city of Chicago, Illinois why must I do things like wear clothes and walk along sidewalks, pay taxes, not smoke indoors, not take animals I find, not sleep in shelters I find when the sun goes down?

In fact, I am a productive, law abiding citizen but couldn’t I just as easily say “I didn’t ask to be here” and just do what I want?

We get it dude, you just finished intro to philosophy so now you’re super “enlightened “. I remember my freshman year too

Yet you exist chiefly DUE TO social constructs, i.e. your parents' motivations for getting together and choosing to reproduce. Your existence is a product of that context. You know you can choose to not exist, too.

You don't need to agree to anything, but since the rest of us do, we will lock you up, or make you life miserable until you do. Assuming you are not locked up, you have the right to try to find some other place which will take you whose laws are more compatible.

Since the entire planet is spoken for, you will not be able to find a place of your own without social contracts and rules of conduct - written down as laws. You might be able to go off the grid and live on your own in isolation. However, you can't have it both ways - enjoy the benefits of society (money, roads, police, hospitals, schools, jobs, protection from fires, etc) while not agreeing to follow any of it's rules.

Head on over to North Sentinel Island, it has just what you are looking for!

So why are you still using the social construct of language to communicate?

You follow the laws because someone is there to enforce them. You don't have a say in it. Just like if I wanted to walk past you and punch you in the face, you couldn't do anything about it. This post is dumb. The law is nothing if it's not enforced, and it's enforced by other humans. You can choose to not follow laws, but there's a good chance something will happen to you because of the actions of another human enforcing the law. If you don't like the law, then go somewhere else where it doesn't exist. Or you could also just not follow the law and try to break yourself out of prison.

Ted Kaczynski wrote:

I have a manifesto you should read.

Hey, Ted was unironically based. It really is a shame his legacy has been tarnished by those stupid TED talks.

Bra-ket wrote:

Ted Kaczynski wrote:

I have a manifesto you should read.

Hey, Ted was unironically based. It really is a shame his legacy has been tarnished by those stupid TED talks.

+1!